Natural Sound

[Three quid]

Same old story. A bunch of secret tweaks discussed, promoted, and photo graphed, but when you ask about them you are directed to go directly to DDK.

Smart marketing Peter.

In other threads, there’s brief mention of some of ddk’s rca cables : belkin synapse (blue jacket), gepco, belden 1192, and maybe Gotham gac-4

 

[morricab]

If you say so. But...



This is a caricature. Things don't happen this way (if you set aside the 100€ Chi-fi designed to please the ASR crowd).

And you know how they happen because you are an engineer and/or scientist...or run an audio company?

 

[hopkins]

And you know how they happen because you are an engineer and/or scientist...or run an audio company?

I am not asking you for your resume, and frankly could not care less who you are. An online forum is meant to debate, not to pontificate.

Innovations takes many different forms, from small "incremental" improvements to sometimes more profound changes.

 

[morricab]

I am not asking you for your resume, and frankly could not care less who you are. An online forum is meant to debate, not to pontificate.

Innovations takes many different forms, from small "incremental" improvements to sometimes more profound changes.

Well, perhaps you should try your own advice and try debating rather than make uneducated flat pronouncements.

What have you innovated that I can take seriously your latest pronouncement regarding how innovation works? Or did you just read this somewhere?

 

[hopkins]

Well, perhaps you should try your own advice and try debating rather than make uneducated flat pronouncements.

What have you innovated that I can take seriously your latest pronouncement regarding how innovation works? Or did you just read this somewhere?

as a rule, i try not to waste time arguing with idiots on forums, and in this case I am not going to make an exception

If you feel offended by the name calling, read over your post number 7344 and basically f… off thank you

Post in thread 'Natural Sound'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/natural-sound.32867/post-1096980

 

[bonzo75]

This debate never ends because audio subjective discussions relate to listener and there is no way to prove Lamm is better than other SET amplifiers.

I have seldom heard SET openers on EU prefer Lamm with higher efficiency speakers.

The ones from the US are solid state high power converts. David was Krell Apogee before discovering Lamm, Peter was Magico and then picked up Lamm from David, Tima was Wilson before picking up Lamm from David.

There are tons of other sets, quite a few would be local to whatever region people are in, the deification to justify a choice just shows lack of experience with other sets.

 

[Amir]

B

Amir,
A good hearing model will tell you statistically what most people would prefer, from a distortion perspective, and if that is then put into practice correctly with an amp design, it should guarantee that at least a fairly large number of people will find that amp excellent sounding. This is the case with Lamm, where most people who have heard the products think they are excellent sounding. It doesn't mean everyone will agree. Human psychology also guarantees that a good correlation might be 50-60% agreement to the model. That leaves room for a significant amount of naysayers. So, please don't compare this to the proof or absence of proof to the existence of God.

Finally, as a student of the philosophy of science (I was a chemistry major and philosophy minor in college...later Ph.D in Analytical Chemistry), Popper came up with the now adopted concept of hypothesis falsifiability. He didn't believe anything was provable...only falsifiable. You can have 1000 positive data points on a hypothesis and it only takes one negative to deem a hypothesis invalid. Nothing is ultimately provable but the best hypotheses are those that withstand efforts to invalidate them.

In his view, it wasn't science if you couldn't formulate a hypothesis that was testable and falsifiable. It doesn't mean the thing you espouse is necessarily false...it simply can't be explored by science. Human hearing and determining preference does not fall into that category, it is testable and at least potentially falsifiable.

Psychology is probably somewhere between science and non-science because there is a lack of precision in the test methods and responses that yield correlations, which at least by 'hard' science are weak, leave a lot of room for people to think differently than those that correlate well with the hypothesis or model.

So, what this means is that, if the story of Lamm using a model to design his amps is true, he was in a way kind of a pioneer in trying to merge the human psychology of hearing with circuits that deliver the best sound based on the model. This doesn't mean they will be universally hailed as the best ever but it does mean that they are likely to sound better than most to a large percentage of audiophiles.

Brad, Thank you for your reply.

I think the “human hearing system and human music listening experience” subject is very very complex so I doubt if Lamm or any other audio designer could introduce a complete model to design a perfect amplifier. I respect Lamm audio thinking and his theories but this subject is much more complex than finding better distortion pattern.
I believe sound and music are different subjects, many times I enjoyed music in my crap car stereo, my car amplifier not designed by lamm theory.

You know Romy is a big fan of old Lamm ML2 but he does not like ML2.1 model.
you and some others do not like sound of M1.2 hybrid amplifier and some prefer ML2 to ML3.

 

[Amir]

No, at best we can do statistically analysts of how many audiophiles Lamm and how man prefer other SET amplifiers.

I do not care about how many audiophiles prefer Lamm because most of them are not expert.
Check the market and you will see most audiophiles prefer more dead sounding speaker/amplifiers .

 

[Al M.]

I do not care about how many audiophiles prefer Lamm because most of them are not expert.
Check the market and you will see most audiophiles prefer more dead sounding speaker/amplifiers .

Ok, I understand: Someone is an "expert" if you say so and if they share your personal opinions and preferences.

 

[morricab]

as a rule, i try not to waste time arguing with idiots on forums, and in this case I am not going to make an exception

If you feel offended by the name calling, read over your post number 7344 and basically f… off thank you

Post in thread 'Natural Sound'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/natural-sound.32867/post-1096980

Last defense of the incompetent…name calling and rage….sad. Maybe you should reread my post…I called your statement dumb not you…now I think it is a systematic problem with your comprehension and debate skills…