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20/20 hindsight is always so much easier than 20/20 foresight.


Tough lessons learned the hard way.

These are very old tubes and this forum is such a wealth of information. When in doubt ask.
 
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30 degrees is a lot! If in fact it was 30 degrees I would be EXTREMELY leery too. I didn't realize that much...
it wasnt 30 degrees, Ron is trying to justify his posible by exaggeration. impossible to rotate by 30 degrees the way these tubes were made , just not enought wire laxity in the base
 
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In addition to my vouching for Ian’s character and due diligence above through over two dozen transactions, the story also does not add up re damage to the horizon.

Regarding the one rectifier I have lost…

from Lampizator: there is absolutely nothing in the circuit that could harm the tube. The voltage on anodes, the heater voltage, the capacitance, the heater current - the choke - everything is made in such way that in case of ANY type of failure - it will fail safely. i.e. it can not exceed any parameter by “itself”. It could only DECREASE parameters of the circuit.
For example the 5V heaters can only be MAX 5V or less, never more.

in sum, no way a rectifier could damage the horizon. The rectifier also gets its voltage on a seperate rail on a toroidal that supplies only filament current to all the tubes - it for eg does not receive voltage from the transformer that supplies the dac board and the volume board, it is therefore impossible for the rectifier to cause damage to those boards.

issue here appears up stream of the rectifier
 
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Again, this is not to be publicly debated on the WBF. Any settlement or discussion moving forward should be between you and the seller. Privately.

Hello and good evening to you, gentlemen. Please re-read the statement above. Any further posts will be deleted and administrative action may be taken for those that disregard. This thread has been derailed enough.

So that all members can see this, the thread will be locked for a short stint. When it opens back up, let's please stick to the thread topic.

Thank you.

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Okay, ladies and gentlemen. The thread will now reopen. Please stick to the topic.

Thank you in advance.

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Hello All, I still need to inform you about the outcome why my Valvo 2504 had immediately a short circuit when I put it in. It turned out that the adapter from Laslo was fine. The problem was within the Valvo which I bought from @plasmod3 (Ian). When I received it the Valvo I already noticed that the foot of was loose. You could turn the foor 30 degrees. It is clear now that Ian shipped me a questionable tube. He said het did test it before he shipped (and I believe that) but the foot was so loose that it immediately burned when I put it in and switched on the H360. OK shit happens and maybe the transport from Australia did not help but what was not nice is that I paid 1000 USD for the tube and Ian did not want to give me anything back. Instead he claimed it was the adapter from Laszlo or the H360 with a wrong power supply but I now know that this was not the case since my H360 is repaired. The H also had damage due to incident and it cost me 700 USD to have it repaired and shipped. I am very disappointed how Ian handled the situation. Yes, this can happen but if you receive a tube with a loose foot and it burns immediately after you put it in it is not nfair to not pay anything back of the 1000 USD. So, sorry Ian but I can not recommend people to do business with you because I did not ask for a tube with a loose foot and I think it was not fair of you to blame others and not pay anything back of the 1000 USD. I asked you several times... You also refused to send me back the tube and adapter after I had returned it to you for your own inspection. I think people here on the forum should know that you sold a Valvo 2504 with a loose foot (and did not tell about it) and also refused to come to a fair settlement for both parties.
I'm sorry to hear about Ron's disappointment with a tube purchase from Plasmod (Ian) and felt compelled to weight in about a similarly disappointing experience. I bought some tube adapters from Ian well over a year ago. After insertion, my Horizon hummed like crazy. After a number of back and forth emails, Ian blamed the issue on my tubes, not his adapters. What could not be adequately explained was that his adapters caused hum with several other perfectly good tubes and that inexpensive mullingmrs Chinese adapters worked just fine with the same tubes. I ended up throwing away the adapters as he would not issue a refund. Ian's a very knowledgeable guy, but sadly my experience was a poor one. Shit happens. It's how you're treated after shit happens that matters. Caveat emptor. I currently use Laszlo's Mundorf Angelique wire adapters for my H360 pentodes (Philips EL-50 and SFR P17C) and they work just beautifully.
 
I'm sorry to hear about Ron's disappointment with a tube purchase from Plasmod (Ian) and felt compelled to weight in about a similarly disappointing experience. I bought some tube adapters from Ian well over a year ago. After insertion, my Horizon hummed like crazy. After a number of back and forth emails, Ian blamed the issue on my tubes, not his adapters. What could not be adequately explained was that his adapters caused hum with several other perfectly good tubes and that inexpensive mullingmrs Chinese adapters worked just fine with the same tubes. I ended up throwing away the adapters as he would not issue a refund. Ian's a very knowledgeable guy, but sadly my experience was a poor one. Shit happens. It's how you're treated after shit happens that matters. Caveat emptor. I currently use Laszlo's Mundorf Angelique wire adapters for my H360 pentodes (Philips EL-50 and SFR P17C) and they work just beautifully.
Yes Marty - the adaptors here was for a pair of rs1003. You sent the tubes to me as well with the adaptors and in when i placed your tube and adaptor in my horizon i too got a hum . we measured your tubes and from memory one of the rs1003 you got from ebay was measuring very weak or poorly - you asked me to junk it ? In fact i also remember well we were both on the bus after Munich and you took several big bites out of Louis Desjardins when he as explaining to us how he build his Kronos turntable and what his design philosophy was . Life doesnt have to be 'shit' but it can be if the attitude is wrong my friend.
 
Yes Marty - the adaptors here was for a pair of rs1003. You sent the tubes to me as well with the adaptors and in when i placed your tube and adaptor in my horizon i too got a hum . we measured your tubes and from memory one of the rs1003 you got from ebay was measuring very weak or poorly - you asked me to junk it ? In fact i also remember well we were both on the bus after Munich and you took several big bites out of Louis Desjardins when he as explaining to us how he build his Kronos turntable and what his design philosophy was . Life doesnt have to be 'shit' but it can be if the attitude is wrong my friend.
We agreed that you received a defective tube upon return of the adapters for evaluation. You declared them perfect. However, the returned adapters still continued to make my Horizon hum with NOS replacement tubes that worked perfectly fine in other adapters. I have no wish to re-litigate this here. I wish you well Ian.
 
I'm sorry to hear about Ron's disappointment with a tube purchase from Plasmod (Ian) and felt compelled to weight in about a similarly disappointing experience. I bought some tube adapters from Ian well over a year ago. After insertion, my Horizon hummed like crazy. After a number of back and forth emails, Ian blamed the issue on my tubes, not his adapters. What could not be adequately explained was that his adapters caused hum with several other perfectly good tubes and that inexpensive mullingmrs Chinese adapters worked just fine with the same tubes. I ended up throwing away the adapters as he would not issue a refund. Ian's a very knowledgeable guy, but sadly my experience was a poor one. Shit happens. It's how you're treated after shit happens that matters. Caveat emptor. I currently use Laszlo's Mundorf Angelique wire adapters for my H360 pentodes (Philips EL-50 and SFR P17C) and they work just beautifully.
Exactly shit happens but it is all about being fair to each other if it happens. Why do you need to make a profit on a bad product? Why not be fair as WBF people and give (part) of the money back? I paid Ian 1000 USD and had lots of other costs to repair the H and shipping but so far he did not pay anything back. I fully agree that this forum is not discuss these things but I also believe the WBF people should know how people do business. If it is not discussed here where else? btw, for me it is not the money since and shit can happen but the way you treat a fellow WBF customer...
 
I’m surprised that this thread appears to be running out of steam at a time when more and more Horizons are being delivered, which means folks are now getting more time to become familiar with the numerous tube choices for their units. I therefore thought I’d provide an update on my tube preferences and the rationale for their use.

The British are coming, The British are coming.......The British are here!

TRIODES

I might as well start with the most controversial choice, the legendary Tung-Sol Black Glass Round Plates (BGRP). This tube has an ambivalent following. I was curious to learn whether it is the highly revered tube that many have praised, or whether it is a tube that deserved some of the pans such as those by the well-known 6SN7 user and reviewer Robert Hutton from a few decades ago. In my view, the truth lies somewhere in between, but is mostly favorable. It is certainly an excellent tube with an interesting story. According to Hutton, the tube became enormously popular many years ago when Upscale Audio touted them heavily, which caused their prices to escalate dramatically, until Upscale ran out of inventory, at which time they dropped them like a hot potato and moved on to something else leaving only their high price in its wake (which Hutton thought was entirely undeserved.) More damning perhaps is that Hutton thought the tube was somewhat sibilant sounding on top hence he became a very vocal naysayer. While I can understand Hutton’s concern about the sibilance issue (easily demonstrated on Patricia Barber’s wonderful cover of “The In Crowd”) it is a relatively minor misgiving that doesn’t detract from the tubes wonderful assets which most prominently is a very beautiful midrange. Although I enjoyed this tube, it has not become my triode of choice for two reasons. The first is that the bass, while well defined, is rather polite. Having just returned from Carnegie 2 nights ago hearing Scheherazade and some assorted Victor-Lobos pieces, it is the 40-80Hz range of the tube that just plays too light for me in my system. The main liability of this was the sonority of lower brass, which for me, just doesn’t provide the correct “weight” of the orchestra that is more like the real thing. Secondly, the entire treble range while good, doesn’t have the definition and clarity of some other triodes in this range such as the Sylvania 6SN7W/B65 or the fabulous Mullard ECC32/31. In short, the BGRP, while very good, just didn’t have any magic for me to the point that it was a keeper. I ended up selling mine a while ago. But that midrange is truly gorgeous.

Almost but perhaps not quite as controversial as the TS BGRP is the Sylvania metal base B65. Most who have heard this tube are impressed with the top end for good reason. It’s performance there is exceptional. There are parts of the frequency spectrum that are so extraordinary, it translates to genuine impressions of being fooled by thinking you are hearing the real thing. This is the magic that everyone comments on when hearing these beauties. The tube is just outstanding down through the midrange and lower. It’s liability, which is just to say that it is not a perfect tube, lies in the bass range, particularly in definition more so than extension. There, it’s good, but not great. Having tried a number of Sylvania 6SN7’s I can relate to dminches when he says the bass on Sylvania’s are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates- you never know what you’re going to get! I agree. For example, I found the bass on the VT 231 6SN7 GT to be very big and almost overwhelming, while the 6SN7W black base had noticeably atrophic bass. Still, I found that if you mate the B65 with a compatible rectifier with strong bass, the combination can be thrilling. There is just so much that the B65 does exceptionally well that virtually no other tube does, which is why it always turns up in the top echelon of 6SN7’s by audiophiles. It may have some minor weakness in the bass, but I’ll share it is a tube I will never sell. It’s a reference tube in so many ways because it’s more than a great tube for listening to music. Rather, it’s a great tool for comparing other tubes to in order to assess their performance to see what they bring to the table.

Finally, there is the Mullard ECC32/31. I might as well just say it. This tube is simply beautiful. It does the entire frequency range so well and is so musically balanced that it just stands out among its peers. The articulation, frequency response, tonality and sense of “rightness” is exceptional and most importantly, delivers that one thing that we all aspire to, which is listening to music while letting the gear or component get out of the way. With the Mullard, that is what it does extraordinarily well. You just don’t think about what the tube is doing. You just end up listening to music. This tube has genuine magic, but here it is almost everywhere not just primarily in one frequency range. But if you want to start with accolades somewhere you might as well start with the midrange, which is stunningly good, low in distortion and harmonically rich. The top end is very pure and sonically wonderful. It would be a fool’s errand to try and compare it’s top end to the Sylvania B65. They are both excellent yet but different (but each is a light year better defined for me than the TS BGRP). The bass is also very well defined, well extended and has the right balance which renders the orchestra floor very believable to me.

It should be mentioned that while the ECC32 is very expensive (even if you don’t buy from the whore in Hanoi), there is a far more accessible alternative which is the ECC31. As has been mentioned a few times here the ECC31 is identical to the ECC32 but it has a common cathode grid and therefore requires an inexpensive adapter (eBay) to use in the Horizon. Both have Lukasz' approval which is very important since the ECC32/31 is not considered a drop in plug and play for a 6SN7.The Mullards have 50% higher current draw and grid voltage, gain and transconductance are all different than a 6SN7. Again, Lukasz assured me that the Horizon is very over-engineered so the Mullards are easily handled in the Horizon. While ECC2’s can go for over 2K/pair, the ECC31’s are generally a few hundred bucks per tube if you shop wisely. In fact, there was a new in box Mullard ECC31 advertised recently for $75 which just drove me nuts as I would have bought it in a heartbeat if a pair were available.

PENTODES

As many have discovered, it's best to think of the 3 individual tube types not only individually but as cast members of a larger sonic consortium. Regarding pentodes, nothing has given me the same sonic enjoyment as the Mullard EL34 xF2 made in Blackburn. The main attribute of the Mullards, which is why they are so revered, is not only their sonic beauty but their resistance to overload. This is true whether its solo piano gone Yuja Wang berserk or Mahler in Warp 9 overdrive. In the history of high end audio it may not be hyperbole to say the Mullard EL-34 may be one of, if not the most consistently praised tube ever made. It's popularity waned a few decades ago when massive wattage tube power amps were made which utilized the greater power available of 6550 or KT88 valves. But bigger doesn't necessarily mean better and in the case of the Horizon, power is not the primary consideration for Lukasz's unique hybrid octal design as it might be in a full blown powered amplifier. Some reviewers have simply said that the key feature of NOS Mullard EL34's is that they just sound more like music than any other equivalent pentode.. I would agree and for that reason, it’s my keeper. I sold my KT-170’s a while ago. One advantage of the KT-170’s however, is that they are very obtainable and that’s worth great deal as the Mullards are not a dime a dozen. It also doesn’t hurt that the KT-170’s sound very good so they are a very solid choice. I could easily live with them, but for me, the Xf2’s are in a different league and bring another small level of sonic truth. Piano, voice and strings are exceptional and simple tracks of these can be used to easily hear the merits of this tube. I read an old comment on another blog where one listener said that after listening to a piano on the Mullards, it wasn't worth hearing a piano on any other tube. A bit of an exaggeration perhaps but I understand why he made that comment. They aren’t cheap, but they’re generally obtainable for about $250-300/tube, which considering the price of the Horizon, seems like a modest investment to me.

RECTIFIER

Previously, I wrote that the Takatsuki 274B was my rectifier of choice for the Horizon (and the GG2). Post #2845
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ling-review-thread.26478/page-143#post-819130

However, I voiced a minor concern that as good as it is, it is a somewhat dark sounding tube (“bottom-up” or “yin” sounding). Yet its strengths are so good, particularly in the bass through upper bass, that it remained my recti of choice. Until now. The reason for exploriong my new recti reference was the comment I made previously regarding my sense that a Steinway piano recording sounded a bit like a somewhat darker Bosendorfer through the Tak and this remained a legitimate concern. What put me over the top in re-opening the rectifier exploration was the uncanny midrange of the Mullard ECC32. The Mullard, combined with the Tak was just not able to nail Steinway Grand with openness the way I had hoped due to some aforementioned darkness. Enter the incredible MOV/GEC U52. This rectifier is no secret.

To be continued...
I realise it's years later for a question
Great info marty thank you
My question is do the el34 values you mention mu.lards f2 need adaptors or just plug straight into the horizon 360?
 
I still feel that in this game of tube rolling not only is system dependent but truly one man’s passion is another man’s poison

I’ve used all of the tubes mentioned above and have moved on

I run my Horizon SE so the only use I have now for my KT170 is to fill the empty power slots on the right side. I had the Takatsuki and loved it until I played with a bunch of rectifiers

My 3 keepers for which I have several back ups are

TFKN RGN2004 mesh plate Very open, airy and musical but lacking in deep bass

As a result I moved to Valvo G2504 solid plate. This was like an RGN2004 on steroids. Again I have manu back ups. I always felt that the G2504 was almost too much for my system and room

Subsequently my rectifier of choice now is Valvo AZ12 black mesh plate

For me it has become my favorite as it’s not too little nor too much but just right. Plus it’s far less money and easier to find than my above two choices as they are unobtainium

Triodes

I started with Mullard ECC32 and they were gorgeous. I has 2 matched sets which cost a small fortune. I only just recently sold tgem

I then used Mullard 6SN7 GT VT231 with black glass and round plate. It was beautiful and I still have a matched set

Presently the one that lights me up is a matched quad of TFKN EF802 using adaptors and 2 per adapter. For my ears nothing comes close. I have 2 matched quads and I’d be surprised that anyone will find these anymore and if they do it will not be matched quads NOS. Sadly these will be sold with the adapters as the New DAC does not use triodes

And finally for pentodes I used them all and they all had virtues as well as shortcomings. Where I am now is my keeper and I always buy back ups of tubes I like. The one that does it all for me from top to bottom is TFKN E55L. This tube simply checks all boxes

Putting my 3 choices together has produced the most realistic sound I’ve ever heard in my system and with my new speakers I have never heard such good realistic deep bass that it has whited all the naysayers who said I would need subs with my new speakers. Such is not the case I’m a happy camper

I take Lukasz comments very seriously when it comes to. tube rolling and will stick with the stock tubes. until Lukas and Fred arrive for the launch of the New DAC. Only with Lukasz approval will I roll in my favorites. I will take no chances of blowing the power supply on the new DAC. Plus Lukasz and Fred have said that even though my chosen tubes sound superb in the Horizon, it might be a totally different story in the new DAC ( Im waiting for Lukasz to tell everyone the name of THE NEW DAC)

In summary all of these comments by everyone to me are anecdotal and merely add data points. What counts is hearing the tube in your own system and room. Bottom line is there is no perfect answer. No all right or all wrong. The only advice that is paramount is to verify with Lukasz and never put in a tube or adapter without his ok.
 
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I’m surprised that this thread appears to be running out of steam at a time when more and more Horizons are being delivered, which means folks are now getting more time to become familiar with the numerous tube choices for their units. I therefore thought I’d provide an update on my tube preferences and the rationale for their use.

The British are coming, The British are coming.......The British are here!

TRIODES

I might as well start with the most controversial choice, the legendary Tung-Sol Black Glass Round Plates (BGRP). This tube has an ambivalent following. I was curious to learn whether it is the highly revered tube that many have praised, or whether it is a tube that deserved some of the pans such as those by the well-known 6SN7 user and reviewer Robert Hutton from a few decades ago. In my view, the truth lies somewhere in between, but is mostly favorable. It is certainly an excellent tube with an interesting story. According to Hutton, the tube became enormously popular many years ago when Upscale Audio touted them heavily, which caused their prices to escalate dramatically, until Upscale ran out of inventory, at which time they dropped them like a hot potato and moved on to something else leaving only their high price in its wake (which Hutton thought was entirely undeserved.) More damning perhaps is that Hutton thought the tube was somewhat sibilant sounding on top hence he became a very vocal naysayer. While I can understand Hutton’s concern about the sibilance issue (easily demonstrated on Patricia Barber’s wonderful cover of “The In Crowd”) it is a relatively minor misgiving that doesn’t detract from the tubes wonderful assets which most prominently is a very beautiful midrange. Although I enjoyed this tube, it has not become my triode of choice for two reasons. The first is that the bass, while well defined, is rather polite. Having just returned from Carnegie 2 nights ago hearing Scheherazade and some assorted Victor-Lobos pieces, it is the 40-80Hz range of the tube that just plays too light for me in my system. The main liability of this was the sonority of lower brass, which for me, just doesn’t provide the correct “weight” of the orchestra that is more like the real thing. Secondly, the entire treble range while good, doesn’t have the definition and clarity of some other triodes in this range such as the Sylvania 6SN7W/B65 or the fabulous Mullard ECC32/31. In short, the BGRP, while very good, just didn’t have any magic for me to the point that it was a keeper. I ended up selling mine a while ago. But that midrange is truly gorgeous.

Almost but perhaps not quite as controversial as the TS BGRP is the Sylvania metal base B65. Most who have heard this tube are impressed with the top end for good reason. It’s performance there is exceptional. There are parts of the frequency spectrum that are so extraordinary, it translates to genuine impressions of being fooled by thinking you are hearing the real thing. This is the magic that everyone comments on when hearing these beauties. The tube is just outstanding down through the midrange and lower. It’s liability, which is just to say that it is not a perfect tube, lies in the bass range, particularly in definition more so than extension. There, it’s good, but not great. Having tried a number of Sylvania 6SN7’s I can relate to dminches when he says the bass on Sylvania’s are like Forrest Gump’s box of chocolates- you never know what you’re going to get! I agree. For example, I found the bass on the VT 231 6SN7 GT to be very big and almost overwhelming, while the 6SN7W black base had noticeably atrophic bass. Still, I found that if you mate the B65 with a compatible rectifier with strong bass, the combination can be thrilling. There is just so much that the B65 does exceptionally well that virtually no other tube does, which is why it always turns up in the top echelon of 6SN7’s by audiophiles. It may have some minor weakness in the bass, but I’ll share it is a tube I will never sell. It’s a reference tube in so many ways because it’s more than a great tube for listening to music. Rather, it’s a great tool for comparing other tubes to in order to assess their performance to see what they bring to the table.

Finally, there is the Mullard ECC32/31. I might as well just say it. This tube is simply beautiful. It does the entire frequency range so well and is so musically balanced that it just stands out among its peers. The articulation, frequency response, tonality and sense of “rightness” is exceptional and most importantly, delivers that one thing that we all aspire to, which is listening to music while letting the gear or component get out of the way. With the Mullard, that is what it does extraordinarily well. You just don’t think about what the tube is doing. You just end up listening to music. This tube has genuine magic, but here it is almost everywhere not just primarily in one frequency range. But if you want to start with accolades somewhere you might as well start with the midrange, which is stunningly good, low in distortion and harmonically rich. The top end is very pure and sonically wonderful. It would be a fool’s errand to try and compare it’s top end to the Sylvania B65. They are both excellent yet but different (but each is a light year better defined for me than the TS BGRP). The bass is also very well defined, well extended and has the right balance which renders the orchestra floor very believable to me.

It should be mentioned that while the ECC32 is very expensive (even if you don’t buy from the whore in Hanoi), there is a far more accessible alternative which is the ECC31. As has been mentioned a few times here the ECC31 is identical to the ECC32 but it has a common cathode grid and therefore requires an inexpensive adapter (eBay) to use in the Horizon. Both have Lukasz' approval which is very important since the ECC32/31 is not considered a drop in plug and play for a 6SN7.The Mullards have 50% higher current draw and grid voltage, gain and transconductance are all different than a 6SN7. Again, Lukasz assured me that the Horizon is very over-engineered so the Mullards are easily handled in the Horizon. While ECC2’s can go for over 2K/pair, the ECC31’s are generally a few hundred bucks per tube if you shop wisely. In fact, there was a new in box Mullard ECC31 advertised recently for $75 which just drove me nuts as I would have bought it in a heartbeat if a pair were available.

PENTODES

As many have discovered, it's best to think of the 3 individual tube types not only individually but as cast members of a larger sonic consortium. Regarding pentodes, nothing has given me the same sonic enjoyment as the Mullard EL34 xF2 made in Blackburn. The main attribute of the Mullards, which is why they are so revered, is not only their sonic beauty but their resistance to overload. This is true whether its solo piano gone Yuja Wang berserk or Mahler in Warp 9 overdrive. In the history of high end audio it may not be hyperbole to say the Mullard EL-34 may be one of, if not the most consistently praised tube ever made. It's popularity waned a few decades ago when massive wattage tube power amps were made which utilized the greater power available of 6550 or KT88 valves. But bigger doesn't necessarily mean better and in the case of the Horizon, power is not the primary consideration for Lukasz's unique hybrid octal design as it might be in a full blown powered amplifier. Some reviewers have simply said that the key feature of NOS Mullard EL34's is that they just sound more like music than any other equivalent pentode.. I would agree and for that reason, it’s my keeper. I sold my KT-170’s a while ago. One advantage of the KT-170’s however, is that they are very obtainable and that’s worth great deal as the Mullards are not a dime a dozen. It also doesn’t hurt that the KT-170’s sound very good so they are a very solid choice. I could easily live with them, but for me, the Xf2’s are in a different league and bring another small level of sonic truth. Piano, voice and strings are exceptional and simple tracks of these can be used to easily hear the merits of this tube. I read an old comment on another blog where one listener said that after listening to a piano on the Mullards, it wasn't worth hearing a piano on any other tube. A bit of an exaggeration perhaps but I understand why he made that comment. They aren’t cheap, but they’re generally obtainable for about $250-300/tube, which considering the price of the Horizon, seems like a modest investment to me.

RECTIFIER

Previously, I wrote that the Takatsuki 274B was my rectifier of choice for the Horizon (and the GG2). Post #2845
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...ling-review-thread.26478/page-143#post-819130

If we are doing a reboot of Marty's very helpful October 16, 2022 post then I will add the following suggestions to his comment that "the British are coming ... the British are here!"

A great triode and rectifier grouping for the H1 and H360 is the Ken-Rad Navy KR-6SN7 and CKR-5U4G. A bit more neutral than the Mullard ECC32 and RGN2504 combo (e.g. not quite as warm), but still excellent tone and resolution. The navy and the army NOS versions of the Ken-Rads (circa 1940 - 47) are easier to find and are not as expensive as some of the other aforementioned unobtainium options.
 

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I realise it's years later for a question
Great info marty thank you
My question is do the el34 values you mention mu.lards f2 need adaptors or just plug straight into the horizon 360?
The Miullard EL34 xf2 do not need adapters. However, i stopped using them quite some time ago. I moved to the French SFR P17c for quite some time after that, but most recently have been using Philips EL-50. Both are excellent; the P17c has a bit more presence and superb bass whereas the Philips are a bit quieter, have gorgeous tone and are particularly beautiful with classical music and especially piano (much like the Xf2's). Both however, require adapters. My preferred adapters are custom sourced from Laszlo and use Mundorf Angelique wire which I much preferred to his standard silver wire adapters in my system.
 
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If we are doing a reboot of Marty's very helpful October 16, 2022 post then I will add the following suggestions to his comment that "the British are coming ... the British are here!"

A great triode and rectifier grouping for the H1 and H360 is the Ken-Rad Navy KR-6SN7 and CKR-5U4G. A bit more neutral than the Mullard ECC32 and RGN2504 combo (e.g. not quite as warm), but still excellent tone and resolution. The navy and the army NOS versions of the Ken-Rads (circa 1940 - 47) are easier to find and are not as expensive as some of the other aforementioned unobtainium options.
Screw the sound of tubes in one's grear. What I want to know, is what tube goes with Vosne Romanee and Corton Charlemagne? :cool:
 
LOL! Every tube I've tried goes well with either wine. :)

They were both revered by Ken Shindo.
 
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Screw the sound of tubes in one's grear. What I want to know, is what tube goes with Vosne Romanee and Corton Charlemagne? :cool:
With the Vosne Romanee may I suggest a slow roasted leg of lamb...For the Corton Charlemagne, I would go with the Veal or most any shell fish. I agree, this sounds so much nicer than tubes!!
 
I know a lot of people use and enjoy the AZ12 rectifier. Is the AZ1 tube an acceptable replacement (with the appropriate adapter)?
 
I know a lot of people use and enjoy the AZ12 rectifier. Is the AZ1 tube an acceptable replacement (with the appropriate adapter)?
I have switched months ago to the AZ12 but there are different brands The one which to my ears it the most sonically pleasing is the Valvo mesh plate AZ12. I have no experience with he AZ1. There is also an AZ11 but not the same as the Valvo AZ12
 
I know a lot of people use and enjoy the AZ12 rectifier. Is the AZ1 tube an acceptable replacement (with the appropriate adapter)?

The AZ1 will work with an adapter. I used it in a few different Lampizator DAC's (Golden Gate and Pacific). It is a nice value (I recall paying between $50-$100), as it is a very inexpensive option to try and a real mesh plate, as compared to modern fake "mesh" plates. I've had Telefunken and Valvo versions and you might want to try both. There is a taller plate version, and a shorter/fatter plate version.

Ultimately, I ended up with Valvo G2504 solid plates for both of my Lampi DAC's, but those are massively more expensive.

A few pics of my AZ1 collection (I ended up selling them all) and pics of the adapters sold by ebay vendors (there are 2 different bases for these tubes, but the tube is otherwise the same):AZ1-adapter.jpgAZ1-Tube.jpgAZ1 family photo.jpgTeleC-1.jpgAZ1-Base.jpg
 
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