Has anyone heard the Devialet D-Premier Integrated Amp/DAC

[ferenc_k]

Great for you and happy for that,personally with a brand new unit i would like to have the latest upgrades,specially if the air function have more to go on ?

Ethernet is also something i look forward to and was high up as a upgrade wish earlier,so lets see



?? dont know where i have said that ,butt acc to Devialet they sound better the press in Munchen have been told acc to some forums,i haven't heard them so i don't know !

Would also like to know how it would be to use a second Devialet as my plan are ,if the second one has a different hardware ?

Do remember that the new 240 is 1000 Euro more expensive than D-Premier was, so expect to pay at least this difference when you do the upgrade. I think it is reasonable. I think the first level of upgrade (getting the new backplate with USB and Ethernet connection plus a new DSP) should cost something like this and should be retrofittable with some skills at home. The full upgrade will cost a lot more for sure as the unit needs to be sent back to the factory.

Regarding the monoblock configs I think Devialet will keep few D-Premier on stock for this purpose for the existing single stereo D-Premier users. I see no reason why the D-Premier and 240 would not be combined for a dual or quad monblock config, they can run the same firmware v6, you may have to use a 240 as a master unit and then you can use the D-Premier as slave. I have no information, I am guessing only.

 

[ferenc_k]

I also bought a Devialet just a few months ago and I am not happy about this...

Devialet has already said that the new 110 sounds better than a D-Premier so the step to the 240 is probably quite large.

I do not think so. I generally do not believe what a manufacturer said, I used to believe my own experience and engineering skills. The hardware of the 240 is roughly the same as the 110, except the chassis and the A/D converter. The specification of the new units seem to be the same as the old D - Premiers'. So why do you expect big changes? I am not forced to sell my D-Premiers and do not think of changing or ugrading them yet.

 

[Ekmanc]

It's good that you are so positive but we are talking about changing out almost the entire amplifier. The motherboard, the wifi card, larger power su

 

[Ekmanc]

It's good that you are so positive but we are talking about changing out almost the entire amplifier. The motherboard, better processor, the wifi card, larger power supply, better insulated inputs and so on and that's just off the top of my head...

 

[ferenc_k]

It's good that you are so positive but we are talking about changing out almost the entire amplifier. The motherboard, better processor, the wifi card, larger power supply, better insulated inputs and so on and that's just off the top of my head...

The most important parts: the ADH Core, the D/A converter, the clock generator are exactly the same. No change at all. The higher power DSP is about to make some more power available for room correction, but a higher powered DSP can generate more interference. I am not convinced to use the Devialet with a computer as a virtual soundcard better solution than a data transfer in the wifi mode. Probably not. The potentially better power supply can make a difference or not, it is largely depending on what kind of speaker one uses. I like higher sensitivitiy spekaers so it is probably not a big deal. But I do not want to convince anybody. If you feel you need to upgrade do it. I will wait and see if I need it or not after some careful testing. I am not in a hurry. I like what I hear.

 

[Ekmanc]

I like what I hear too and I love my D-Premier but I trust Devialet and their proven high technical skill and there's no doubt in my mind that the upgrade will be much better. If it isn't they have truly failed as a company and cost a lot of their customers 3500euro for nothing.

 

[Daz]

I would expect the new 240 to sound better than the D-Premier given that it is evolution of the D-Premier. The company has had significantly greater resources and a much larger engineering team since the D-Premier was designed. There are better parts with greater accuracy available today compared to 3-4 years ago. How much better with the new 240 sound compared to the D-Premier remains to be heard.

What is essential is Air workable & reliable at 24/192. If this proves not to be the case then having direct connection with ethernet will become essential. Direct ethernet I suspect will be the best sounding connection followed by Wifi or USB (depending on how they have implemented). I will be interested to hear from new users or conduct a test with the dealer once they have supply.

Any idea when they plan to release the new software - firmware v6.0, Air2 and Mac/Pc wifi audio drivers?

 

[Daz]

I like what I hear too and I love my D-Premier but I trust Devialet and their proven high technical skill and there's no doubt in my mind that the upgrade will be much better. If it isn't they have truly failed as a company and cost a lot of their customers 3500euro for nothing.

Less than 3500Euro or Less than 2000Eur! Hopefully noy 3499Euro and 1999Eur ...

Agree with Ferenc_k and would like to see some level of mod offered for parts that could be retrofitted by the user to keep costs down. Many of the modules in the D-Premier are modular such as the HDMI/DSP section, power supply, Wi-fi, D-Amp etc... I installed the Wi-fi unit and also changed over the HDMI/DSP unit previously.

 

[Ekmanc]

The upgrade will cost 3500euro total and they said that the new software will be available on the website sometime this week.

 

[Daz]

The upgrade will cost 3500euro total and they said that the new software will be available on the website sometime this week.

Thanks Ekmanc. Good news about the software and can't wait to try it.

For the price possibly 'less than' is bad French translation?! Hopefully there is some flexibility depending on customers case, such as when the bought the unit. Really you should be able to expect a couple of years out of a hi-end audio device before an evolution of the product takes place. These are not smart phones! Maybe a guarantee to upgrade if your purchase is less than 12months from new product annoucement so new buyers do not feel as though they walked into an ambush.

 

[Ekmanc]

I would love a solution like that because honestly if I had known about this a few months ago I would probably have bought the 170 instead.

 

[philoouu]

If streaming can be done through Ethernet directly avoiding the non reliable Wireless Air that is almost worth the upgrade ! But again let us wait for reviews about what exactly can be done with the Ethernet.

 

[Daz]

The upgrade will cost 3500euro total and they said that the new software will be available on the website sometime this week.

Ekmanc, I stand by my statement that prices are Less than 3500Euro or Less than 2000Eur depending on the option. Prices are yet to be fixed!

Prices are not yet fixed. The output specifications of the 240 are almost identical to the D-Premier i.e power, THD, Impedence output etc .... so they are likely to be very similar. The new model does sport upgraded DSP's for more advanced features that require additional processing over the current models for things like Room correction.

I suspect I will consider to have the new inputs only if AIR2 proves to be unreliable or if feedback that using the Ethernet or USB input is magnificently superior to Wifi.

 

[Petter]

dont now if it have any interest,but i post a mail sent on another forum that clears it up "little " for some of us

Thanks a lot for your message and for the kind words. We are all extremely excited about the new products Especially about the smaller models.

First of all, I want to make it very clear thatyour D-Premier is NOT an obsolete piece of equipment at all!! When you own a Devialet, you own it for life and That we will publish firmware updates in the future.

Regarding the new release, you will be bootable to benefit from the great new AIR version Which brings full HD streaming (24/192kHz) and ADAPTS to different formats and players.
AIR 2.0 can now be Considered as a new audio output for your computer. You will simply need to select your Devialet as a peripheral audio output device and play from any player you wish or stream from online services zoals Deezer, Spotify, etc. Qobuz ... With AIR 2.0, you are not forced to use iTunes anymore if you do not wish to. Nevertheless, iTunes remains the bit-perfect solution to stream from a Mac. On a Windows PC, you will be bootable to have a bit-perfect transmission with applications zoals Adobe Audition, JRivers and Foobar 2000.

Now to the Devialet 240 vs. D-Premier. The Devialet 240 specifications are identical to your D-Premier: same extremely low output impedance (less than 1 mili ohms) same THD less than 0.001% etc. .. We have simply removed the HDMI input to add a USB and an Ethernet connector. We have added a turbo DSP usefull to pave the way for future applications zoals room correction etc. .. Note That the new Devialet 240 is usefull € 1,000 more expensive than the D-Premier.

For people who absolutely need the new inputs or absolutely want to have the new DSP onboard, we will put in place an upgrade scheme with two levels:
1. SImple replacement of the HDMI module by the new Duet module holding the USB and Ethernet inputs as well as the new DSP for future applications.
2. Complete exchange of the electronics with a new 5 years warranty.

The prices are not fully fixed yet but it will be less than € 2,000 for option 1 and less than € 3,000 for option 2. This service will be offered from October onwards.

Regarding the HDMI error message, I would suggest to wait for the new firmware release and see it it appears again.

Remember thatyour D-Premier is the greatest piece of equipment available on the market and it will stay like this for a long time. Our new products are bringing our technology to more people and will address new customers and will Contribute to make our new motto come true: one day, everyone will own a Devialet.

Thanks again and I stay at your disposal shouldering you have any additional question

 

[Ekmanc]

I still think introducing a new product at close to one third of the price which is supposed to be "better" does kinda make an old product obsolete, at least on the market. It also absolutely kills the second hand value for the original customers.

 

[Petter]

i,m in the same chair as you Ecmanc,mine was delivered 6 weeks ago,but i have been travel for work and been home only 3 weeks now with my new D Premier ,did sell in some quite good Naim equipment to have enough so i could buy the D Premier,i had been following and read everything about the D Premier before i maid my move

What trigged me was the air possibility and the "endless" upgrades ,that would come on the existing model,i did also choose a black one,and that color don't exist anymore in the sortiment

 

[Daz]

i,m in the same chair as you Ecmanc,mine was delivered 6 weeks ago,but i have been travel for work and been home only 3 weeks now with my new D Premier ,did sell in some quite good Naim equipment to have enough so i could buy the D Premier,i had been following and read everything about the D Premier before i maid my move

What trigged me was the air possibility and the "endless" upgrades ,that would come on the existing model,i did also choose a black one,and that color don't exist anymore in the sortiment

Mine are black too and prior to that I had a chrome. Black is a lot better to keep clean. Chrome looks amazing out of the box.

I would be surprised if they don't have basic colour options for the D240 like the D-Premier i.e Black, white and chrome.

 

[Ekmanc]

I would be surprised if they don't have basic colour options for the D240 like the D-Premier i.e Black, white and chrome.

The only colour that seems available so far for the three new models is dark chrome.

 

[IanG-UK]

I still think introducing a new product at close to one third of the price which is supposed to be "better" does kinda make an old product obsolete, at least on the market. It also absolutely kills the second hand value for the original customers.

I was at the Munich show when the 110/170/240/500 products were launched.

For what it's worth the demonstration of the 170 with the Magico Q1s was not as good as my recollection of the demonstration a year ago, at Munich, of the dual-mono D-Premiers with Wilson Sashas or Sophias (I forget which). And I suspect most, if not all, of those differences were down to the room, one's feel about the lighting and seating, and the ability of the loudspeaker to drive the room. In that context I suspect any differences in electronics (power aside) were negligible or less.

It is inevitable that when a product which has been class-leading, for pretty much all of its three year existence, is changed, some existing users (especially recent acquirers) will feel disappointed. If one wants progress this is inevitable.

Having spoken to Devialet many times, they know how important it is to keep existing users happy. I'm sure they will do whatever they can to look after existing users. If you are happy with your kit, they will still give you free software updates. If you want effectively a full replacement (apart from the casework and remote) they will do this for not more than 3500 Euro. If you want something in between, I'm sure they will try to help. I suspect they will also be able to do bright chrome, white or black casework if you really want it.

In my estimation they are a really good set of people wanting to look after customers with a class leading product which will last for many years - something (in my opinion) we have not seen in the UK since Quad was in its heyday 30 years ago.

 

[wizard]

Yes I listened to 170 with Q1 and sound was nothing special.

Prices in Euro
110 - 5000
170 - 7000
240 - which is a revision of the original D-Premier - 13000
500 - 2 box dual-mono design - 23000 /pr