How many rich high end manufacturers so you know ?
david
How many so you know??? How many so I know, LOL.
Please re-read my post...did I say that the manufacturer's are necessarily getting rich off these schemes?
How many rich high end manufacturers so you know ?
david
To this an increase in their across the board pricing to the stratosphere is now implemented. Part of the strategy is that the same manufacturer will go to the various shows around the world and offer massive discounts to show goers to encourage good feelings--and additional sales.
Davey, I have a MSL cartridge that originally came from A.J. Conti, though I bought it very slightly used through a friend at a heavy discount. It is a fantastic cartridge and I always wondered why there is no discussion or buzz about the brand. Conti was the US distributor and there was almost no advertising or support. It's a shame. Anyway, MSL is off topic. Back to SAT.
How many so you know??? How many so I know, LOL.
Please re-read my post...did I say that the manufacturer's are necessarily getting rich off these schemes?
Reminds me of a true episode from the early Nineties. A store (let's call it store B) in The Netherlands advertised an item as "reduced from 1,500 to 1,100". My dealer from back then was extremely aggravated and posted: "Store B's price, 'reduced from 1,500 to 1,100'. Our price: reduced from 1,100 to 1,100. But we also have real discounts!"
There is none Stevie. When we were in HK, it had a Titanium arm board by TD. I opted for the arm board made by SAT also XLR.
How many rich high end manufacturers do you know ?
david
One. You.
Tang
Jack, how would you describe the sonic differences between the Graham and the SAT?
Peter, we are not supposed to ask such difficult questions about expensive tonearms - our members imagination is more interested in knowing about the mark-up margin of both tonearms and the personnel fortune of the designers!
I ask because every time I see a photo of a TechDAS table with one of each arm, the SAT is always in the position at right. Perhaps the back mounting plate is for longer arms. I'm curious to know if anyone prefers the Graham. If so, why? Graham used to be the preferred option on SME tables, but besides TechDAS, I don't see much discussion of Graham arms these days. I think I read that VPI and Durand are considering gimbal designs. Are unipivots going out of favor?
Tang, it is nice to see that you are finally putting your foot down, and saying ENOUGH !At around $30,000, this is already at full stretch. The quality of SAT together with Mr. Fremer’s review managed to sell itself to reach the production of 70 while the Vertere with its final enduser price about the same is a lot less so. If I were to manage this product, I would only launch the top new model in 9” and 12”. No need the lower price model. The brand should be view as the best. A cheaper model doesn’t reflect that. And not many people are going to be interested much in lower price model. At that lower price I can still buy the Thales Statement, Axiom, etc. that I can at least satisfy my big ego of having the top.
Then, Sell the new model at the same price level as original one. This would build a brand image of always being on the edge of tech and strive to give customers more values. Furthermore, give a privilege to existing owners to buy at some discount, no upgrade trade-in. There is definitely more than enough margin to do this. Most People who bought the original can afford to buy another one if they need another arm. People who spend this kind of money like being treated with privilege. Send new models to both Mr. Fremer and Mr. Astor who already like the original one to review. The review likely come out positive. This will create an itch for both new users and existing users. New buyers will sense more value getting even better arm for the price. While old users don’t feel too bad at least getting special option to buy at lower price than new users. 12” at a special discount will likely itch some existing users after reading positive reviews from the two reviewers. The new model also needs a real user of original one to give testimony confirming the new model is better than the original. The incentive scheme will give more chance of that.
Think about this. Although original 70 arms were sold at $29,000, some are still left at the stock of dealers. What does this tell about the demand at this price. Now $50,000 a pop.
I happen to have enough arms. I don’t want another one. Just thinking out loud. (Maybe too loud)
Tang
Tang, it is nice to see that you are finally putting your foot down, and saying ENOUGH !
I ask because every time I see a photo of a TechDAS table with one of each arm, the SAT is always in the position at right. Perhaps the back mounting plate is for longer arms. I'm curious to know if anyone prefers the Graham. If so, why? Graham used to be the preferred option on SME tables, but besides TechDAS, I don't see much discussion of Graham arms these days. I think I read that VPI and Durand are considering gimbal designs. Are unipivots going out of favor?
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