American Sound AS-2000 Installations- Far East (Tango)

[djsina2]

The same Walter from the Shindo forum?

 

[Tango]

Walter,

I suspect you are communicating the struggle, how hard one must search and how much one must know, in order to deal with these vintage theater rarities. At first read your initial posts did seem to me to be a bit negative, however now that you have written more I am starting to reconsider.

Perhaps post a story or two about some of your victories within this 'theme you love'? Positive experience is much more the style here in my opinion.

I think he just wants to show the opposing view he had experienced on german vintage parts. This is healthy for readers actually. People should be aware of what is involved both risk and reward. His posts also contain both positive and negative view about the subject. For consumer like me, a "Know who" is crucial in diving into things of this nature.

 

[Solypsa]

In any case, welcome to wbf Walter. I for one look forward to what you may add to the 'top vintage' conversation.

 

[Walter66]

Yes vintage audio is very tricky and of course after all these years there's more junk than nice pieces around. I've learnt my lessons the real way, by losing money but with patience , knowledge and some luck we still find beautiful vintage here and there. I live in the US now but have traveled everywhere for vintage pieces. This is where my heart's at.


Maybe I misunderstood you Walter but like @Solypsa mentioned some of your posts gave that impression.

david

Thanks, David. Think its always hard to introduce and step into a forum without let some members think its all about trolling.
Love your 406, perfect condition. Its correct that the top drivers of that time often has better condition than the cheaper ones, specially when they never saw daylight. That driver is as old as I'm but looks and sounds better;-)

 

[Walter66]

The same Walter from the Shindo forum?

Really? Too many "Walter" on the internet. LOL

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Thanks, David. Think its always hard to introduce and step into a forum without let some members think its all about trolling.
Love your 406, perfect condition. Its correct that the top drivers of that time often has better condition than the cheaper ones, specially when they never saw daylight. That driver is as old as I'm but looks and sounds better;-)

Dear Walter,

Thank you for your other replies - it is (now) clear you are indeed well meaning (not trolling) and are seriously invested in this area. Looking forward to your ongoing contribution and apologies for misreading your previous posts. Your experience is most welcome here - all the best.

 

[mtemur]

Anybody know what kind of wood is being used for that purpose best?

Try Gabon ebony (if you can find enough amount) and mix it with Canadian hard maple. Apply 30-40 coats of shellack over it.

 

[Walter66]

Thats interesting. Thought those were made from coniferous plywood. It would be rather unusual for western companies to use this kind of wood for speakers, especialle in the post WW2 era. Shellack is a good idea, that has been used for my record player throughout. Nice coating.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Thats interesting. Thought those were made from coniferous plywood. It would be rather unusual for western companies to use this kind of wood for speakers, especialle in the post WW2 era. Shellack is a good idea, that has been used for my record player throughout. Nice coating.

I think mtemur’s reply was tongue in cheek. The costs of Gabon ebony for such a baffle would be pretty darned extreme.

And yes coniferous plywood was indeed used for these baffles. Spruce plywood is very nice sounding fyi. Shellac is a great finish but not hard wearing at all. I use it on my speakers for sonic purposes but it really is a labour of love because wood working / turning is a passion of mine so I enjoy the process.

 

[mtemur]

Thats interesting. Thought those were made from coniferous plywood. It would be rather unusual for western companies to use this kind of wood for speakers, especialle in the post WW2 era. Shellack is a good idea, that has been used for my record player throughout. Nice coating.

well, I took your question as a request for recommendation and my answer was just an idea to consider if you're looking for material for ultimate speaker cabinet. it definitely would be extremely unusual and unheard of for not only western speaker companies but also every other company to use gabon ebony and hard maple IOT make cabinets before and after the ww2 era or simply any era. of course none of them did.

 

[Walter66]

Randomly picking in the fog will not lead towards the goal of finding what once was used with a Bionor or Eurodyn setup as tone wood for making cabinets. This is just one thing that has to be discussed, when it comes to such installations. And only one small aspect of the sound of them. Its a pitty that 80 years after those dinosaurs we are still in the beginning to understand, what makes their sound so unique.

 

[asb]

Walter66 : "there is a link to this forum to be actually found on another german audio forum" - which one please ?

 

[Walter66]

https://www.analog-forum.de/wbboard/index.php?thread/45710-siemens-eurodyn-offene-schallwand-m-horn/&postID=2439021#post2439021

 

[Walter66]

I think this video has the richest, most dense tone of any of the videos I have heard. I really like it!

New attempt on the same subject:

 

[ddk]

New attempt on the same subject:

Is this you, Gina Schmitz?

david

 

[Tango]

New attempt on the same subject:

This system plays more aggressive than the Lamm/Eurodyn. The tone, scale and presence of the Lamm/Eurodyn system is still difficult to beat.

 

[Walter66]

Is this you, Gina Schmitz?

david

Yes, sir.

 

[Walter66]

This system plays more aggressive than the Lamm/Eurodyn.

That's basically a question of pickup system selection. This one's character is "sharp, but with beautiful tone".

 

[DasguteOhr]

eleanor rigby contest
i have it unfortunately only digitally

 

[Tango]

That's basically a question of pickup system selection. This one's character is "sharp, but with beautiful tone".

From video. Sharper, yes. Especially when she pitched her voice up at the end of the song. Could be from various variables. You own the system what do you think attribute to this "sharp."