romaz, be aware ssfas is a serial troller. Moderators have excluded him from a few or more threads, including "QSA: My take on their expensive products" just 10 days ago. His comments here are pushing the relevance flag.
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I am happy to engage anyone who is respectful. I am not opposed to someone who has contrasting views but they do have to respect the fact that this is a sponsored forum where the topics of discussion preferably center around QSA Lanedri's products.
It is unclear what your intention is for bringing this up and whether you are insinuating something. As an engineer, Galen's focus is probably more centered around lab measurements than remembering the people he interacts with. Here is a brief discourse of my initial communications with Galen about applying our treatment to his cables. As you can see, he is a typical engineer.
To be clear, neither Iconoclast nor BJC make bespoke cables for us. We don't need them to as what is important is the treatment that we apply to these cables. But they do dress these cables for us and apply our logos with serial numbers onto them per our specifications.
So, WBF is to be yet another safe space where all we have is consensus rave reviews, manufacturers and dealers and distributors embedded in the forum?
People are so thin skinned they can't cope with skepticism/cynicism laced with sarcasm?
I guess SSFAS is *very* British in his "cultured acrimony" lol.
People are so thin skinned they can't cope with skepticism/cynicism laced with sarcasm?
I guess SSFAS is *very* British in his "cultured acrimony" lol.
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Thanks for that. That's what I understood. They will terminate and dress cables for third parties as bespoke orders, but it's their stock wire and connectors.
I was only talking (by private messaging on a site he uses to promote Iconoclast) to him about your ethernet cables, and only in passing. That email string is about digital coaxial and obviously they have to be the correct impedance else reflections can result in signal loss. His messages highlight his focus on physics and has no problem with third party treatments, as long as the physics is respected.
BJC/Galen's view on ethernet is that it is a pass or fail, hence their certification process, although he mentioned that many audiophile ethernet cables fail but still work because the demands of audio signals are so low. They just have to fail for non-critical reasons.
Like some other manufacturers and users on this site my analogue cable preference is for high purity OCC silver cable, even for usb, but I just can't make the $150 leap to the NeoTech silver OCC CAT6a. Galen's wise words don't allow me, I still use his $10 tested CAT6a.
Having searched around, I did find the UK mains block that might interest @romaz , I forgot to post the link.
It's only £27, about $40, I would happily buy a couple and send one for treatment and compare the two. I'm in London and if anyone wants to borrow them, I'll happily oblige.
The only issue may be the integrated mains cable. That's probably unavoidable in the UK at this price point for legal reasons. The plug has a screw, not the moulded type, so it could be removed if the treatment requires it.
I could burn them in in my office, I have stuff on the whole time. Because people want burn-in.
Not to go off topic, but I agree WBF seems to be awkwardly leaning towards becoming primarily a vehicle for manufacturer promotion. Accusations of “troll” get thrown around too easily imho.
Romaz and Anas should be able to handle some challenge. It will only make them, and the promotion of their products, stronger.
I don't know what the difference is between a troller and a serial sceptic. I'm very sceptical, but very quick to appreciate something good.
My previous posts were about RCM. Great products no one's heard of. I'd been looking for a small format phono stage for 2 or 3 years. I mentioned it to Jason at KJW1 and he dropped in a loan RCM machine one day as he was passing by. That was a lightbulb moment, quickly purchased.
My problem is that I'm pathologically opposed to marketing puff. It just turns me off. I appreciate the truth can be stretched and some claims like turning things into super-conductors (QSAL's claim, but they're not the first) are bonkers mad, and there is a constant stream of hifi claims that defy the laws of physics, but in a perverse way it's one of the fun things about hifi - and it's certainly not unique to hifi. Sadly gone are the days when even hifi was sold on the basis that it made you more attractive to the opposite sex. That's political correctness for you.
Personally my experience is a lot of hifi sounds the same. I suppose we are all looking for that product that moves the needle, often sonically, but aesthetically as well and perhaps other reasons.
It is my experience that sometimes the marketing puff can actually hide the fact that a product actually has attractive features. That's why I like Jason, he's the most no nonsense hifi retailer I've ever come across.
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@romaz was after Amazon mains products from the UK. I've mentioned several and provided a link and am happy to help if you need one because it is really loose change.
The advantage of the UK and Belgium (my wife is Belgian) is that they are small and it's easy to get a home loan or demo of lots of audio for a firsthand experience. There really is no need to pay over any cash before making a decision and certainly not paying 23% VAT and Duty that will be lost forever. So making leaps just isn't necessary, just safe harmless steps. But I've explained this before.
For me the purpose of this forum was to contact a UK member about a specific project (a turntable), which I did through the same suppliers as he did. Useful for discussing certain products, user experiences. I may have been influenced to buy a Gryphon amplifier thanks to chat here. Possibly also silver OCC cabling, although I had silver cryo phono cable before signing up. The only thing I have really advocated is getting a good mains installation as the basis for good sound, as @Kingrex and others advocate, it paid me huge dividends.
I suffered with poor mains for years and nothing could really fix it. If a road is full of holes, whatever you do to your car, you'll get a bumpy ride until the road is relaid. I replaced the mains supply, starting by digging up the road (literally). We rewired the house and the whole thing cost $25,000 (the whole project was about $400k), but for audio it was an end game result.
I will buy one of those blocks, take it apart and post some images - Ordered!
I understand what you're saying, Marc. There have been instances where I have posted an honest but contrasting view about a product only to be dismissed by the manufacturer or ganged up on by the fanboys at large or to have my post deleted by the OP. When a thread starts to look like too much of a commercial, personally, I tend to move on.
Looking at it from the manufacturer's or designer's POV, for some, their products are a culmination of years of sweat and sleepless nights and to criticize their creation becomes very personal, as if you have criticized their child. Beyond that, for some, these products in question are their only source of livelihood and how they feed their families. Looking at it this way, I try to always be respectful. With regard to this thread, we are happy to offer latitude with discussions so long as the discussions are constructive and there is an underlying tone of respect.
Digital coax is an area of great potential for us as we can go large gauge using an RG-11 cable while maintaining correct impedance. This R&D is ongoing. One of the reasons I targeted Iconoclast was the fact that Galen does measure the L, C, and R of his cables which ultimately led him to incorporate an air-dielectric in addition to other design parameters that were guided by measurements. Yes, in the past, we have thrown around terms like "superconductor" but obviously, these claims were fantastical and based on perception rather than measurements. Testing is ongoing and Iconoclast is actually helping us with some of it but we now know that our treatment does not impact L, C, and R in a way where laws of physics are broken and so we take back any suggestion that our cables behave like superconductors. We will be more careful not to make such claims so loosely in the future.
What we have shown through measurements is that our treatment can impact the frequency response of a cable which should come as no surprise as our treatment definitely audibly impacts a conductor. Because we now have greater ability to control how the treatment affects the frequency response, what this means from a practical standpoint is we can more effectively mitigate the sonic properties of a wire that we don't like and it can help explain how we can transform an inexpensive $5 Monoprice cable with no fancy geometry, dielectric, or exotic metallurgy into a cable that is sonically superior to cables costing far more.
The network is where engineers like Galen fail to grasp its significance when it comes to audio. One of the things I appreciate about Galen is the fact that he acknowledges measurements don't explain everything we hear. For example, he has admitted that while his much more expensive (almost 3x more expensive) UP-OCC wire measures no differently than his ETP wire, UP-OCC sounds better and so he offers multiple grades of wire with his analog cables. With the network, yes, it would appear that he believes LAN cables are either pass or fail and it is perhaps because of his rigid convictions as an electrical engineer that he cannot entertain the possibility that LAN cables can directly influence sound and yet our Veridion-treated LAN cable is among the most impactful cables that we offer, challenging even the impactfulness of his meticulously engineered analog interconnects
This is one reason we are not open to treating customers' cables. This request is among the most common requests we receive and understandably so. Unless you are just starting out on your audiophile journey, you likely have already amassed a loom of cables for your equipment and some have spent a fortune on those cables and so it makes sense that people would prefer just to have their cables treated. The problem with this is Veridian's impact is very much dependent on the wire. For example, our treatment on silver wire does not produce good results with analog although it can sometimes sound good with digital, but not all digital. While we can make just about any copper cable sound better, the effects of our treatment are amplified by lower purity copper and further enhanced by the presence of certain impurities such as iron. In contrast, most audiophile cables aspire to purity. Rarely do they aspire to large gauge. Once we treat your cable, we cannot untreat it and so we would be unable to offer a return policy if you are not satisfied with the results. This is one reason among others that we insist on selling cables that are ideally suited to our treatment and that we have validated through proper R&D that include broad listening tests.
This device certainly can be treated. I found numerous devices like this with U.S. plugs on Amazon, however, most incorporated less desirable features like surge protection, on/off switches, and lights. This device has all 3 of those things. The price point is good and if this is the best we can come up with for the U.K. market, so be it but let's see if we can come up with something better. Thank you for offering to serve as a hub for testing. Anas and I would have no ability to test a device like this.
Hi, it seems that a schuko monoprice power cable is only available in a 0.75mm2 (18awg) version, but I can get the monoprice discovery veridion with US male plug in the 14awg version.
So my question is: Is it only the cable that is treated, i.e. not the plugs?
Because then I will probably buy the discovery veridion with US male plug in 14awg and then change the male plug to a schuko, since I live in Europe.
A good and cheap powerstrip with schukos will also be a good thing to add to the discovery veridion line
So my question is: Is it only the cable that is treated, i.e. not the plugs?
Because then I will probably buy the discovery veridion with US male plug in 14awg and then change the male plug to a schuko, since I live in Europe.
A good and cheap powerstrip with schukos will also be a good thing to add to the discovery veridion line
With the power strip, the plug and outlets are treated in addition to the wire. This is why the impact of such a device is so significant.
If you're forced to use a Schuko adapter with a Veridion cable terminated with U.S. plugs, the impact will still be very significant but I would agree, less elegant looking and so a power strip with Schuko sockets would be preferable for some. Monoprice does make power cords terminated with Schuko plugs, however, we found the initial batch we received to be faulty but that should eventually get rectified. To your point, however, these cables do use smaller 18awg wire and having tested 14awg vs 18awg, not surprisingly, 14awg easily sounds superior. Personally, I would opt to go with the 14awg Veridion with US plugs.
We would be open to suggestions for a suitable Schuko terminated power strip that we can treat.
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I obviously understand that, and I have regretted previous posts where I tacitly criticised designers etc (Win Tinon over Saskia TT comes to mind re lack of comms).
I'm talking about the culture of total industry immersion in the forum which means there's always a veneer of obsequiousness to comments.
My criticisms are here aimed more at the dealers embedded in WBF, not designers.
And I genuinely don't see SSFAS as a disruptor, he's reasonably expressing dissent and cynicism to the claims made, prices charged, and he gets the blanket criticism condemnation.
Makes the whole those claiming hurt look insecure and flaky.
I just ordered seven Veridion Discovery PCs and one HDMI cable to use on all of my routers, switched modems, and TVs. I already have a full loom of UI PC's and speaker cables.
Happy to also test for the UK. I have the Gamma Infinity power and speaker cables....
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