QSA LANEDRI Series

Hi Steven,
Very glad yo see that there is a QSA Forum on WBF.
Congratulations!

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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I think I wrote the first QSA review on WBF, back in 2012.

QSA : My take on their expensive products

Threre has been another WBF thread on QSA fuses for some weeks already, but I still want to share with WBF brothers my personal audition/comparison experience. Disclaimer : I am NOT in anyway in the music/hifi industry in Hong Kong. I am only an audiophile and consumer. All WBF brothers who...

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May I ask you two questions?

Firstly, I notice on you website that QSA-Lanedri cables are being launched.

HOME | QSA LANEDRI

www.qsa-lanedri.com

May you tell us more about them?
What metals are employed and what special features do they have?

Secondly, several frds of mine in Hong Kong have bought QSA JitterPower.


Again, please tell the WBF members more about these series of accessories.

Many thanks!

Cheers,
CK

 

It appears that the “Veridion technology“ is scalable to a wide range of products.
Therefore, what is the possibility of QSA offering Veridion technology treatment for customers existing cables?
For an appropriate fee, customers could send in their cables in to be treated.

 

It appears that the “Veridion technology“ is scalable to a wide range of products.
Therefore, what is the possibility of QSA offering Veridion technology treatment for customers existing cables?
For an appropriate fee, customers could send in their cables in to be treated.

While our Veridion technology can be applied to all types of conductors, our strategy is to limit its application to products in our commercial catalogue. Each item undergoes rigorous testing before market release and comes with our refund guarantee.

 

Hello
I have 2 AC Discovery Veridion cables and I can only confirm that they are great. The only thing I don't like is their appearance I connected the first one to a Swiss digital fuse box, the second one to my router's power supply. At first, the sound was a bit thinner, it lacked body, fullness, which I really appreciate. After a few days, I can hear changes for the better, the fullness is still slightly missing, but the sense of presence, insight into the recordings is irreplaceable. I can only be glad that technology like Veridion has been created.

I have a question, can such a Discovery Veridion AC Power Cable be connected to a power supply voltage conditioner? Won't it be too demanding for such a device that powers 6 other devices?

 

No, it does not offer surge protection but it does offer current overload protection (like a fuse) which is different. Most inexpensive power strips that incorporate surge protection use cheap MOVs (metal oxide varistors) that tend to wear out over time. As they wear out, they potentially become current-limiting because they start to get leaky and shunt current away from your components. The devices that use more effective surge protection like magnetic breakers are much more expensive. With that said, this device is not perfect. I would prefer for it not to have a power switch or a light (which probably generates some noise) and it would be great if I could find a device like this with a detachable power cord so that a larger gauge power cord can be used but I have not been successful in finding one. This is where we are open to suggestions for potentially better candidates but having tested a treated version of this power strip, I am quite pleased with how it elevates my system. For a limited time, it has been included in the Discovery line. Imo, for the asking price, even if you have QSAL power cords, I feel this one is a no brainer. It would be like getting a Veridian Gamma cable for $600.

The absolute minimum requirement for an audio power strip these days is cross component isolation. Don't think there is a product close to as good as this one, at $750. When I bought one it was $500, but it's still superb value and built like a tank.

https://www.amazon.com/iFi-Power-Station-Conditioner-Protector/dp/B07TB9VPWC

 

While our Veridion technology can be applied to all types of conductors, our strategy is to limit its application to products in our commercial catalogue. Each item undergoes rigorous testing before market release and comes with our refund guarantee.

How about valves/tubes?

 

How about valves/tubes?

Tubes are offered by our QSA partner based in Hong Kong.

 

New Additions to the Discovery Series​

• Discovery Veridion Ethernet Cable – $250

Each product in the Discovery Series showcases how Veridion technology can transform standard components into high-performance solutions that defy expectations.

Please note: These products are available for a limited time only.

 

I have a question, can such a Discovery Veridion AC Power Cable be connected to a power supply voltage conditioner? Won't it be too demanding for such a device that powers 6 other devices?

It depends. If you are in a part of the world where your line voltage is 220-240V, gauge is less of an issue and you can get by with 14awg wire for almost anything. In the U.S. where line voltage is 120V, for a 20A circuit, as an example, you would need a minimum of 12awg wire to meet code or else you run the risk of burning your house down due to your wire overheating. Take note that the 20A power strip we are trialing in our Discovery line uses 12awg wire.

With a Veridion Discover power cord, on request, we can sell you this cable with a 20A C19 IEC connector.



But even though this connector is rated for 20A, because this cable uses 14awg wire, the cable as a whole technically is not rated for 20A or 2400 watts. I would consider 15A the maximum capacity for this cable. It is rare that the cumulative draw of most components plugged into a power strip other than power hungry amplifiers ever reaches 15A or 1800 watts. If your components' cumulative draw is less than this, you should be fine using this cord for that purpose. With that said, you will hear significant performance gains by plugging in a larger gauge power cord to feed a power distributor or conditioner and so this would not be the ideal application for a Discovery power cord. It would be better to go with Gamma (10awg) or Spectra (5 or 6awg) but this would also be the ideal application for a 0awg Ultimatum power cable.

 

Dziękuję, jestem z Europy, z Polski, gdzie napięcie sieciowe wynosi 220-240 V. Mam drobne obawy, ale chyba spróbuję. Chętnie jednak kupiłbym kabel dostosowany do kondycjonera napięcia w wersji Discovery Veridion ze złączem EU. Zamierzam kupić jeszcze dwa Discovery Veridion AC i jeden Ethernet (widzę, że pojawił się w promocji), więc może jakaś promocja na mocniejszy kabel do kondycjonera napięcia?

It depends. If you are in a part of the world where your line voltage is 220-240V, gauge is less of an issue and you can get by with 14awg wire for almost anything. In the U.S. where line voltage is 120V, for a 20A circuit, as an example, you would need a minimum of 12awg wire to meet code or else you run the risk of burning your house down due to your wire overheating. Take note that the 20A power strip we are trialing in our Discovery line uses 12awg wire.

With a Veridion Discover power cord, on request, we can sell you this cable with a 20A C19 IEC connector.

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But even though this connector is rated for 20A, because this cable uses 14awg wire, the cable as a whole technically is not rated for 20A or 2400 watts. I would consider 15A the maximum capacity for this cable. It is rare that the cumulative draw of most components plugged into a power strip other than power hungry amplifiers ever reaches 15A or 1800 watts. If your components' cumulative draw is less than this, you should be fine using this cord for that purpose. With that said, you will hear significant performance gains by plugging in a larger gauge power cord to feed a power distributor or conditioner and so this would not be the ideal application for a Discovery power cord. It would be better to go with Gamma (10awg) or Spectra (5 or 6awg) but this would also be the ideal application for a 0awg Ultimatum power cable.

Thank you, I'm from Europe, from Poland where the mains voltage is 220-240 V. I have slight concerns, but I think I'll try. However, I would gladly buy a cable adapted to the voltage conditioner in the Discovery Veridion version with an EU connector. I intend to buy two more Discovery Veridion AC and one Ethernet (I see that it has appeared on sale), so maybe some special offer for a stronger cable for the voltage conditioner?

 

The absolute minimum requirement for an audio power strip these days is cross component isolation. Don't think there is a product close to as good as this one, at $750. When I bought one it was $500, but it's still superb value and built like a tank.

https://www.amazon.com/iFi-Power-Station-Conditioner-Protector/dp/B07TB9VPWC

Having owned or tried a few of their products over the years, I really like iFi. They are innovators and their products generally are good value. While we welcome these types of suggestions, we have certain criteria before being able to offer it to the public. Ultimately, the intention of Discovery products is to be able to introduce Veridion to as many people as possible, in whatever shape or form. But first, we have to treat an item and validate the results. Ultimately, we have to be able to stand behind the product. Second, the reason it is even possible to offer products in the Discovery line affordably is because of scale and so we have to be convinced that there will be enough interest to justify the costs of R&D. Finally, while this is not an absolute criteria, if a product is being manufactured by an established audio company like iFi, we would prefer some collaboration with that company to the extent that they are willing support this product.

 

Dziękuję, jestem z Europy, z Polski, gdzie napięcie sieciowe wynosi 220-240 V. Mam drobne obawy, ale chyba spróbuję. Chętnie jednak kupiłbym kabel dostosowany do kondycjonera napięcia w wersji Discovery Veridion ze złączem EU. Zamierzam kupić jeszcze dwa Discovery Veridion AC i jeden Ethernet (widzę, że pojawił się w promocji), więc może jakaś promocja na mocniejszy kabel do kondycjonera napięcia?

Thank you, I'm from Europe, from Poland where the mains voltage is 220-240 V. I have slight concerns, but I think I'll try. However, I would gladly buy a cable adapted to the voltage conditioner in the Discovery Veridion version with an EU connector. I intend to buy two more Discovery Veridion AC and one Ethernet (I see that it has appeared on sale), so maybe some special offer for a stronger cable for the voltage conditioner?

Being in Europe, give it a go and let us know what you think. It obviously should work without compromising safety. Even against a competitor's much larger gauge cable, you might find the attributes of the Veridion treatment to outweigh the negatives of the cable being smaller gauge. As far as offering a larger gauge power cable in the Discovery line, unfortunately, that cannot happen as it would start to directly compete against the Gamma line.

Just a plug for the Gamma line, aside from Gamma being larger gauge where the impact of treatment is amplified, there are other enhancements that justify its cost. Yes, admittedly, the Discovery cables are very plain looking and do not look the part of an audiophile cable. The higher lines will definitely look the part. More importantly, we are applying an "intensified" version of the Veridion treatment to Gamma, Spectra, and Ultimatum cables that go beyond their larger gauge. For those willing to go to these levels, you will experience a level of impact that is just not present in the Discovery line. With Discovery, you will find tremendous value but it is just scratching the surface.

 

Dziękuję, jestem z Europy, z Polski, gdzie napięcie sieciowe wynosi 220-240 V. Mam drobne obawy, ale chyba spróbuję. Chętnie jednak kupiłbym kabel dostosowany do kondycjonera napięcia w wersji Discovery Veridion ze złączem EU. Zamierzam kupić jeszcze dwa Discovery Veridion AC i jeden Ethernet (widzę, że pojawił się w promocji), więc może jakaś promocja na mocniejszy kabel do kondycjonera napięcia?

Thank you, I'm from Europe, from Poland where the mains voltage is 220-240 V. I have slight concerns, but I think I'll try. However, I would gladly buy a cable adapted to the voltage conditioner in the Discovery Veridion version with an EU connector. I intend to buy two more Discovery Veridion AC and one Ethernet (I see that it has appeared on sale), so maybe some special offer for a stronger cable for the voltage conditioner?

I recommend trying the Discovery Veridion Power Strip as an alternative to your current power conditioner. It effectively lowers the noise floor while preserving the full frequency spectrum.

You might be surprised by how much liveliness and dynamic range can be lost when using power conditioners—even ultra high-end models. This loss often goes unnoticed until the noise floor is lowered beyond what typical conditioners can achieve. That’s exactly where the Discovery Veridion Power Strip stands out, it reduces noise while preserving the vibrancy and full expression of the music.

 

Lead Time for Orders

We’ve received many questions regarding the lead time for the Discovery Series: Each production batch takes approximately 3 to 4 weeks, with priority based on the order date—first in, first out. Once the current batch is sold out, new orders will be scheduled for the next production cycle.

 

I recommend trying the Discovery Veridion Power Strip as an alternative to your current power conditioner. It effectively lowers the noise floor while preserving the full frequency spectrum.

You might be surprised by how much liveliness and dynamic range can be lost when using power conditioners—even ultra high-end models. This loss often goes unnoticed until the noise floor is lowered beyond what typical conditioners can achieve. That’s exactly where the Discovery Veridion Power Strip stands out, it reduces noise while preserving the vibrancy and full expression of the music.

Thanks
Are there any plans for a UK three pin plug version?

 

Thanks
Are there any plans for a UK three pin plug version?

We need to identify a suitable candidate for the UK version that matches the specifications and price level of the Southwire power strip. All proposals are welcome for consideration.

 

We need to identify a suitable candidate for the UK version that matches the specifications and price level of the Southwire power strip. All proposals are welcome for consideration.

Good luck selling a $40 power strip in the UK for $600. We're mostly a miserable bunch of sceptics. The two budget items that have sold in vast numbers are these:
MCRU - NO. 75 MAINS POWER EXTENSION HUB
OLSON - SOUNDS FANTASTIC
The latter has been in production for almost 50 years, I used one for 20 years. I have an MCRU one in use.
If you tried to resell their stuff with added magic powder they'd likely get lawyers on to you.

Puritan really have taken over because their products work brilliantly and they are very well priced. Spoke to a large dealer a couple of weeks ago, he's dropping other well known US brands of hubs/conditioners because he can't sell them, just Puritan. I replaced Shunyata with Puritan.

As you say, we usually use 2.5mm mains cable, 13AWG. Usually rated 25A. It's all regulated. Of course we use 13A fuses everywhere (rated 24.7A for 30 minutes). A 0AWG cable is quite funny! It wouldn't fit in a legal UK plug, not even close. It's 8.5mm. Our houses are fed with 10mm armoured cable rated about 250A. I can't imagine how you build a cable with 0AWG wire.

 

Good luck selling a $40 power strip in the UK for $600. We're mostly a miserable bunch of sceptics.

Speak for yourself

 

Speak for yourself

You read any fuse threads on UK sites? Even cables are a really hard sell. Grumpy Old Men is a very British thing, although if you've read any of Rick Wakeman's books (he being my No. 1 GOM) it's possible to be grumpy and very funny at the same time. I could have a good moan about the TV series and that the likes of Nigel Havers really weren't grumpy enough.

Personally, whilst aspiring to grumpiness, I'm a born optimist, I always look at catastrophe as an opportunity (like when UKPN came round, told me my mains supply was f****d and disconnected me), although I draw a line at turning sows' ears into silk purses.

The thing about mains blocks is that at the budget end the focus has to be at the physical construction as much as anything else. Dave at MCRU takes a good basic product and makes significant improvements and still manages to sell it for £150 ($200).

The iFi Powerstation is the cheapest I know of that provides fully isolated sockets, fundamental given most of the noise is likely coming out of components, still a great product for £750 (even if it was £500 when I bought one). I'm told it one of their best sellers.

Of course grounding is critical as well and that is purely down to design. The excellent grounding solutions from Puritan and Shunyata are almost identical, except for the price. Sean Jacobs used to make a thing called a Hydra, 3 or 4 cables coming out of the same plug with a common ground. Nice idea, looks weird.

The highest price point I got to was a Shunyata Hydra A10, but my real problem was the incoming mains and after I rewired the house I sold the A10 and got a Puritan for component isolation and grounding and closed the book.

 

Good luck selling a $40 power strip in the UK for $600. We're mostly a miserable bunch of sceptics. The two budget items that have sold in vast numbers are these:
MCRU - NO. 75 MAINS POWER EXTENSION HUB
OLSON - SOUNDS FANTASTIC
The latter has been in production for almost 50 years, I used one for 20 years. I have an MCRU one in use.
If you tried to resell their stuff with added magic powder they'd likely get lawyers on to you.

Puritan really have taken over because their products work brilliantly and they are very well priced. Spoke to a large dealer a couple of weeks ago, he's dropping other well known US brands of hubs/conditioners because he can't sell them, just Puritan. I replaced Shunyata with Puritan.

As you say, we usually use 2.5mm mains cable, 13AWG. Usually rated 25A. It's all regulated. Of course we use 13A fuses everywhere (rated 24.7A for 30 minutes). A 0AWG cable is quite funny! It wouldn't fit in a legal UK plug, not even close. It's 8.5mm. Our houses are fed with 10mm armoured cable rated about 250A. I can't imagine how you build a cable with 0AWG wire.

Skeptics aren't limited just to the U.K. I agree with you, the concept of selling a $40 power strip for $600, at least on paper, sounds ludicrous -- outdone only by the even more ludicrous concept of selling a $5 mains cable for $250. At AXPONA, we were met with all sorts of skeptics with these treated cables. It turns out our problem was that our live A/B demonstrations were too good and that there was absolutely no logical way our treatment could have this level of impact. After hearing our demo, we were accused by a certain dealer (who was a competitor) of devious manipulation. Even our own partner, Lyngdorf, who loaned us two of their streaming amplifiers were left scratching their heads in disbelief. This level of skepticism isn't new for us and we are unable to help our cause since we can't share what this treatment is but those of you who have taken a chance and have dipped your toes into QSAL waters, what is validating is that the overwhelming majority have returned for more.

The concept of large gauge wire is a concept that is foreign to most parts of the world, especially if your mains is 220-240V simply because you don't have to pass as much current as we do here in the U.S. When I first introduced the concept of using large gauge wire to Anas, who is based in Belgium, he was not in favor and he said even Steven in Hong Kong was not a fan of large gauge. Generally, large gauge wire sounds slow and muddy and lacks finesse and so there are good reasons you don't see other manufacturers going this route but this highlights the unique path that we are on. While an Ultimatum mains cable at 0awg or speaker cables at 0000awg have no business sounding good, we believe these cables are the best there are in the world, no ifs, ands, or buts.

In the U.K., your situation is unique as you utilize a ring main circuit and I believe you are the only country in the world that utilize fuses in your mains cables and so you may not feel comfortable with our standard offerings. However, our Spectra mains cables are treated versions of cables manufactured for us by Mark Coles of Sablon Audio who is based in the U.K. His flagship mains cable, the Sablon King has been available for years and is a 5awg mains cable and so large gauge offerings do exist there. As for building a 0awg mains cable, yes, it was not easy to get this done. I'm fairly confident in stating there are no other cables in existence in the world today where you have 0awg wire terminated with a NEMA 5-15P plug on one end and a C15 or C19 IEC connector on the other end because it absolutely makes no sense and so the company that makes them for us had to design them from scratch. Theses cables are incredibly difficult and expensive to make which is why they cost what they do but we are confident that their performance is unmatched in the industry.

Regarding your comment about manufacturers or resellers like MCRU getting their lawyers on us if we resold treated versions of their products, this is why we are careful about what we choose to treat and why we prefer a mutual collaboration with companies where they are willing participants in our venture. That is certainly the case with Monoprice, Blue Jeans Cable, Iconoclast, and Sablon Audio. For basic items like this $40 power strip, we're fairly certain Southwire will be happy to sell us as many as we would like to buy during this exploratory phase and should we decide to permanently include this product in our catalog, we would certainly approach them about a partnership as we would prefer to offer input regarding a more optimized design. For now, during our R&D of this product, we have found it to be well-built utilizing adequate gauge wire for its purposes and is cULus certified meaning it has met UL safety standards for both the U.S. and Canada.

 

Skeptics aren't limited just to the U.K. I agree with you, the concept of selling a $40 power strip for $600, at least on paper, sounds ludicrous -- outdone only by the even more ludicrous concept of selling a $5 mains cable for $250. At AXPONA, we were met with all sorts of skeptics with these treated cables. It turns out our problem was that our live A/B demonstrations were too good and that there was absolutely no logical way our treatment could have this level of impact. After hearing our demo, we were accused by a certain dealer (who was a competitor) of devious manipulation. Even our own partner, Lyngdorf, who loaned us two of their streaming amplifiers were left scratching their heads in disbelief. This level of skepticism isn't new for us and we are unable to help our cause since we can't share what this treatment is but those of you who have taken a chance and have dipped your toes into QSAL waters, what is validating is that the overwhelming majority have returned for more.

The concept of large gauge wire is a concept that is foreign to most parts of the world, especially if your mains is 220-240V simply because you don't have to pass as much current as we do here in the U.S. When I first introduced the concept of using large gauge wire to Anas, who is based in Belgium, he was not in favor and he said even Steven in Hong Kong was not a fan of large gauge. Generally, large gauge wire sounds slow and muddy and lacks finesse and so there are good reasons you don't see other manufacturers going this route but this highlights the unique path that we are on. While an Ultimatum mains cable at 0awg or speaker cables at 0000awg have no business sounding good, we believe these cables are the best there are in the world, no ifs, ands, or buts.

In the U.K., your situation is unique as you utilize a ring main circuit and I believe you are the only country in the world that utilize fuses in your mains cables and so you may not feel comfortable with our standard offerings. However, our Spectra mains cables are treated versions of cables manufactured for us by Mark Coles of Sablon Audio who is based in the U.K. His flagship mains cable, the Sablon King has been available for years and is a 5awg mains cable and so large gauge offerings do exist there. As for building a 0awg mains cable, yes, it was not easy to get this done. I'm fairly confident in stating there are no other cables in existence in the world today where you have 0awg wire terminated with a NEMA 5-15P plug on one end and a C15 or C19 IEC connector on the other end because it absolutely makes no sense and so the company that makes them for us had to design them from scratch. Theses cables are incredibly difficult and expensive to make which is why they cost what they do but we are confident that their performance is unmatched in the industry.

Regarding your comment about manufacturers or resellers like MCRU getting their lawyers on us if we resold treated versions of their products, this is why we are careful about what we choose to treat and why we prefer a mutual collaboration with companies where they are willing participants in our venture. That is certainly the case with Monoprice, Blue Jeans Cable, Iconoclast, and Sablon Audio. For basic items like this $40 power strip, we're fairly certain Southwire will be happy to sell us as many as we would like to buy during this exploratory phase and should we decide to permanently include this product in our catalog, we would certainly approach them about a partnership as we would prefer to offer input regarding a more optimized design. For now, during our R&D of this product, we have found it to be well-built utilizing adequate gauge wire for its purposes and is cULus certified meaning it has met UL safety standards for both the U.S. and Canada.

It depends what you are looking for in a cable. In my system for speakers I'm looking at inductance and capacitance measurements. I changed cables about 2 years ago due to a location change and my previous cables being too short. They were extremely fragile (Townshend Isolda) so I went for something more robust. The Isolda have been good sellers for over 40 years.

In a confined space thick cables are real trouble. I had Shunyata and had to sell them, they were impossible to manage. I replaced them with Puritan Ultimate, which I believe are silver-plated copper Litz conductors, ideal for AC, and everything about them is about eliminating vibration. They aren't just flexible, they are floppy. They are rated 20A, which is plenty for the UK. You could probably get a 1m cable into a container the size of a 330ml soda can.

When I was changing speaker cables I spoke to Galen Gareis about Iconoclast. I can't remember why I didn't get them. I did ask him about your ethernet cables and he said he'd never heard of you and Belden BJ don't make bespoke cables for anyone. They only make one grade of ethernet cable (to 5e, 6 and 6a spec.). They will badge and terminate cables to order using their catalogue products. The only project he could think of was the cabling for Treehaus speakers.

There is one brand on Amazon.co.uk selling aluminium distribution units for rack mounting at around $40. They are a large UK company almost 40 years old. I suppose it would be a far more realistic option for people to buy something and send it to you for your treatment and pay for the treatment rather than reselling the product.