VYGER ATLANTIS MK IV

PeterA

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I shouldn't post this video as our existing DFW Rhapsody showroom has turned into a laboratory for the moment. We are moving to a new location that is currently under construction. The new DFW Rhapsody location should be ready to go in October.

Chris played his Atlantis yesterday for the first time. The cartridge is new out of the box. This is the second album that he played, so the cart has 20 minutes of playing time on it. The cartridge is a Koetsu Onyx Platinum.

Chris in Dallas also has an Indian Signature coming that will be in the new M9 room. The Atlantis playing now will be in the Alsyvox, Diesis, Bayz room.

That is in addition to Bob having his new Atlantis in Portland and Rhapsody in Brooklyn with an Atlantis.

The rest of the system is Magico M9s with Pilium electronics (Alexander pre, Achilles stereo and Poseidon monos) and all VYDA cabling.


Bob, do you have a video with the other table?
 

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Bob, do you have a video with the other table?
Nope. Chris only did the videos of the new set up for me to see that he got the Atlantis up and running. As you can see by the room it is not video ready. When we move the system to the new location only the Indian Signature will be in the M9 room.

Again, this was the second album played with this new out of the box cartridge.
 
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Chris and I talked about it and the M9 videos that I posted don't even come close to the in-room experience. We decided if anyone would like to hear the M9s they can schedule an audition either in Hayward or Dallas.
 
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Interesting. If you can be so kind to walk us through the process that led you to identify and determine that the AGM table was the weakest link or limiting agent in your analog playback chain. Curious to see how you arrived at that conclusion. Don’t get me wrong, the Vyger Atlantis is a beautiful turntable and we all want what we want but I’m curious to learn how one identifies the weakest link in one’s playback chain. This is a good teachable and learning moment, as I myself, for instance, would not know how to go about making that identification, determination, or declaration without a tedious and exhaustive verification process that could be validated and repeated by others.
I think the main dependent variable here is psychoacoustics.
Having studied this topic.. tediously for many years against this context what is said is impossible, we can sit 2 people of similar vectors within a room and their listening experience will be different.

That being said, we can use some analysis to see what is happening in the signal path.

first we need to understand the quality of our source, in a Goldilocks scenario our source will be perfect so we must then look at how we are to evaluate the next step in that path.

Notwithstanding attenuation let’s assume that we are able to attenuate the signal and affect volume without colouring the signal, let’s look at amplification. I am happy to get very technical here but let’s keep it light, music is not sinusoidal it is for the sake of argument square wave, also bearing in mind a wave is not what something is it is what something does, the signal will pass through many components (transinductance, voltage and unity gain stages to keep it simple) of which the signal will be elementally exposed to different affects.

what we want to do is create a system that is, for the best part not coloured by these mechanical forces and produce a sound that is a close, in context to our ability to relate the psychoacoustic experience to our memory of how that might sound if we were to hear it live, which also carries the burden of its own organic distortion.

long story short there are ways to ensure that the signal at source is within a parameter of acceptance to the output including the speaker, this however is wholly subjective based on our own unique preference in sound signature, you just may not like a perfect source.. but this is a circular argument easily used as the straw man.

I would never speak on behalf of my good friend Bob however his statement is as valid as any other, the human ear and brain is very complex and capable of discerning a broad spectrum and quality, this is empirically accurate to a standard that we all accept there are certain devices that are special in their ability to reproduce sound accurately, and this does not need a long lab session in order to be true..

I would equally not discount the subjective nature of opinion, as this is an independent variable we have to factor in when you are dealing with guys with so much listening experience having heard multiple systems in multiple configurations in multiple spaces all of which are equally independent variables.

You may argue Carlos which you would have every right to do so, that is it these independent variables that go to your point, however there are some inalienable facts about HiFi we cannot or must not ignore and this goes to what Bob said. His conviction does come from MANY years of listening experience and should hold value, it is a logical fallacy to believe otherwise as any lab testing we did would always be subject to Schröddinger and his pesky cat.

Björn
 

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Welcome to WBF, Björn!
 
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