I'm glad you guys are so open and forthcoming w the advice, even sorting the aftermath if things don't work out.
Visit to Marc C.'s (SpiritOfMusic's) House in England
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Thank you very much general.
I'll PM you to fix a mutually convenient date and will look forward to both meeting you and hearing your system.
You are,of course, very welcome to come and listen to my system.
Marc it would be virtually impossible not to have a better sound than in your previous acoustic nightmare of a room as you must know.Remember that concrete ceiling with numerous bath like depressions, brick walls and steel windows all down the side?
While your present room is clearly better it too has some significant issues and you will need to address those effectively as well as finding some better speakers and do the sums.
Barry, I'm open to all of that.
But you're simply wrong about the state of my current acoustics. You caught my system at the worst it had been since I moved in w much worse tubes in my amps leading to a flat, antiseptic sound.
Indeed I've had a visitor who knows his acoustics very well, and is a fan of my room, with the angled eaves and cross beams steels actually helping break up nodes etc.
So I respect your opinion, but you cannot say as an objective fact that my room is poor acoustically.
By all means, feel free to criticise Zu sonic signature, but that's as far as is reasonable to say.
I didn't see Fraser in the room dissing the acoustics, he was toe tapping and generally complimenting me on what Id achieved.
But that's not to say different spkrs and acoustical treatments wouldn't be beneficial.
But you're simply wrong about the state of my current acoustics. You caught my system at the worst it had been since I moved in w much worse tubes in my amps leading to a flat, antiseptic sound.
Indeed I've had a visitor who knows his acoustics very well, and is a fan of my room, with the angled eaves and cross beams steels actually helping break up nodes etc.
So I respect your opinion, but you cannot say as an objective fact that my room is poor acoustically.
By all means, feel free to criticise Zu sonic signature, but that's as far as is reasonable to say.
I didn't see Fraser in the room dissing the acoustics, he was toe tapping and generally complimenting me on what Id achieved.
But that's not to say different spkrs and acoustical treatments wouldn't be beneficial.
You brits are like a episode of Monty Python at times, always loved it !
Now stop messing with Marc !
Thsts all I want to say on the matter, I could suggest Justin needs a better streamer and cables, Ked needs a system (any system), you need tubes in your system to sweeten your sound.
But since none of you would view unsolicited advice kindly, I won't bother LOL.
But since none of you would view unsolicited advice kindly, I won't bother LOL.
I don't need a system. First rule in marketing, know the difference between needs and wants.
That's true Ked.
It's like saying you don't need the best steak, you only want it.
Me? I need it AND want it.
It's like saying you don't need the best steak, you only want it.
Me? I need it AND want it.
Lagonda, we Brits are a naturally pessimistic and masochistic breed, I'm happy to listen to all and any suggestions.
What other country would vote to leave the EU and 2 years later, be further away than ever from this simple objective, w not a peep from the majority who voted Brexit - THAT'S the very definition of British stiff upper lippedness, Python would have had a field day w the surrealness of non democracy in (in)action.
What other country would vote to leave the EU and 2 years later, be further away than ever from this simple objective, w not a peep from the majority who voted Brexit - THAT'S the very definition of British stiff upper lippedness, Python would have had a field day w the surrealness of non democracy in (in)action.
Sure Ked, I know. I've had the misfortune of your taste in restaurants. Thanks for picking up the tab that day.
At times, the Yanks need an irony interpreter for the Brits, since we can't visualize the accents in the words. You'd think audiophiles would do better.
One.must realise however good your system is most will find a way to deride it.
Curious behaviour, but that's humans for you.
Mark (Spirit of Music):
I've followed most of this thread without commenting previously. It seemed at some point you were happy, maybe even content with your system.
Satisfy yourself, you'll never have a system everyone else likes, and maybe even anyone else. Only you listen with your ears. To paraphrase Robert Jackson, an American Supreme Court Justice: your decision isn't the final one because you are right, you are right because your decision is the final one. Each change will make a difference with some music, some changes won't make a difference with all music. Gear "improvement" is fitful and may only be on some tracks for some people. The chase ends when you're done chasing. Governance of my system has been taken over by a despot, benevolent, but despotic. Good luck with your pursuit or with your treasure as the case may be.
I've followed most of this thread without commenting previously. It seemed at some point you were happy, maybe even content with your system.
Satisfy yourself, you'll never have a system everyone else likes, and maybe even anyone else. Only you listen with your ears. To paraphrase Robert Jackson, an American Supreme Court Justice: your decision isn't the final one because you are right, you are right because your decision is the final one. Each change will make a difference with some music, some changes won't make a difference with all music. Gear "improvement" is fitful and may only be on some tracks for some people. The chase ends when you're done chasing. Governance of my system has been taken over by a despot, benevolent, but despotic. Good luck with your pursuit or with your treasure as the case may be.
Justin, it's social media. Ked has heard everything, Zu remain his worst, or close to, experience. Why wouldn't he be sarcastic and demeaning about them. Barry really didn't like what he heard, fair game to criticise. You've always offered interesting insights.
Thank the Lord this isn't Twatter.
Thank the Lord this isn't Twatter.
I don't see any posts singing the praises of Zu speakers apart from Marc.
In fact offhand I can't recall ever reading any in all my time as a member in contrast to the large number of members speaking highly of a number other brands including Avalon and YG.
Perhaps Zus are just a minority taste.
In fact offhand I can't recall ever reading any in all my time as a member in contrast to the large number of members speaking highly of a number other brands including Avalon and YG.
Perhaps Zus are just a minority taste.
I've only ever heard one pair and I liked them.
I like the chap that does them. He has great taste in music.
Muser, hi, you're new on WBF?
All humans are striving for enjoyment, improvement, w yearning for what might be on the other hand.
My devotion to Zu comes from a bit of an emotional reaction to the full range driver/zero crossover/high efficiency transducer, ie Zu (But also Rethm, Voxativ, and a few others).
What Zu does well, I hear in few other spkrs. However if this presentation doesn't appeal to you, you will hate the Zu sound.
And I'm big enough to highlight where they are challenged, and challenging.
And ironically the better my room, system, acoustics, power, ancilliaries, setup and optimisation have become, every small step becomes a large step, and I'm wringing more and more quality out of them.
But I've also pushed them as far as they can go, so revealing a little more what holds them back in relation to more "sophisticated" spkrs like top horns, Apogees etc.
There's no half way house w Zu, you either love their full, expressive, immediate sound, and make some allowances for being a tad rough at the margins; or you hate their uneven, ragged, murky sound, and don't even perceive any of their plus points.
I'm obv in the former category.
All humans are striving for enjoyment, improvement, w yearning for what might be on the other hand.
My devotion to Zu comes from a bit of an emotional reaction to the full range driver/zero crossover/high efficiency transducer, ie Zu (But also Rethm, Voxativ, and a few others).
What Zu does well, I hear in few other spkrs. However if this presentation doesn't appeal to you, you will hate the Zu sound.
And I'm big enough to highlight where they are challenged, and challenging.
And ironically the better my room, system, acoustics, power, ancilliaries, setup and optimisation have become, every small step becomes a large step, and I'm wringing more and more quality out of them.
But I've also pushed them as far as they can go, so revealing a little more what holds them back in relation to more "sophisticated" spkrs like top horns, Apogees etc.
There's no half way house w Zu, you either love their full, expressive, immediate sound, and make some allowances for being a tad rough at the margins; or you hate their uneven, ragged, murky sound, and don't even perceive any of their plus points.
I'm obv in the former category.
Justin, at shows as all the big guns bore many of us with audiophile cuts, Sean Casey of Zu is well and truly mixing it up. Indeed I've heard the rooms where Zu exhibit may not necessarily have the best sound, but will definitely have some of the best SOUNDS.
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