Al, It's interesting that you stop short of saying you honestly find vinyl less enjoyable. I think it really just comes down to personal preferences. Al and I can listen to my vinyl system in the afternoon and then to his digital system in the evening and each prefer our own for reasons we may or may not understand. I hear the "digital" signature in his system, and I'm sure he hears the "vinyl" signature in mine. That is just the way it is. There is nothing objective about this aspect of the hobby. It is all very personal, and we are sometimes quite stubborn about our beliefs.
Peter, I didn't stop short of anything. I could also have said, meaning basically the same, "I can't honestly say that I find digital less enjoyable than analog".
Sorry if my post was equivocal as to allow for your interpretation. You know how much I love your analog when it's at its best.
Peter, I didn't stop short of anything. I could also have said, meaning basically the same, "I can't honestly say that I find digital less enjoyable than analog".
Sorry if my post was equivocal as to allow for your interpretation.
1. Digital is more enjoyable than vinyl
2. Vinyl is more enjoyable than digital
3. Digital and vinyl are equally enjoyable
These are unequivocal statements. You write: "I love vinyl in my friends' systems, and I find it very enjoyable to listen to, but I honestly can't say I find it more enjoyable than digital." and then you "clarify" that by writing: "I can't honestly say that I find digital less enjoyable than analog". All those words instead of simply saying #1 or #3. To me, you seem to stop short of saying: "I love vinyl, but I prefer digital." Is that what you really mean? BTW, I agree with #2.
1. Digital is more enjoyable than vinyl
2. Vinyl is more enjoyable than digital
3. Digital and vinyl are equally enjoyable
These are unequivocal statements. You write: "I love vinyl in my friends' systems, and I find it very enjoyable to listen to, but I honestly can't say I find it more enjoyable than digital." and then you "clarify" that by writing: "I can't honestly say that I find digital less enjoyable than analog". All those words instead of simply saying #1 or #3. To me, you seem to stop short of saying: "I love vinyl, but I prefer digital." Is that what you really mean? BTW, I agree with #2.
Oh please, Peter. Can't you just leave it at what I said, and my admission of my statement having been equivocal, including my apology for it? I suppose my previous post should be perfectly clear and acceptable to everyone else.
Funny how people how love vinyl find people who are ambiguous about that format and who actually enjoy both or prefer digital somehow feel threatened. Very odd IMHO. This hobby is about enjoying music right?
Funny how people how love vinyl find people who are ambiguous about that format and who actually enjoy both or prefer digital somehow feel threatened. Very odd IMHO. This hobby is about enjoying music right?
Funny how people how love vinyl find people who are ambiguous about that format and who actually enjoy both or prefer digital somehow feel threatened. Very odd IMHO. This hobby is about enjoying music right?
Yes it is about enjoying music and it should be quite clear that Al and I are good friends, are audio buddies and enjoy listening to music together. Both digital and vinyl.
There is plenty of ambiguity in this hobby and that’s fine. But you are wrong about me being threatened by someone who prefers digital. That is nonsense.
Well, well. Sometimes some digital folks have taken the issue personally too. They felt offended when someone questioned the 'unquestionable superiority' of digital, a medium which until recently still had a lot of growing up to do. Sensitivities go around on all sides, let's not kid ourselves.
Well, well. Sometimes some digital folks have taken the issue personally too. They felt offended when someone questioned the 'unquestionable superiority' of digital, a medium which until recently still had a lot of growing up to do. Sensitivities go around on all sides, let's not kid ourselves.
I agree sir. My view is simple. If you enjoy music regardless of playback tech, that's all that matters. For the record (pun intended), I still enjoy listening to music (approx. three hours per day) via my Magnum Dynalab's XM tuner and my eleven year old CDP.
Yes. IMHO no one can be considered wrong on many subjective matters and preference, but when we debate objective technical aspects that can be quantified a nonsense is always a nonsense ...
What would be the basis of a comparison in your view
What would be the metrics, who would decide , what equipment would be used, what media chosen
I could see, since this is such a polarising discussion , that no matter what the outcome of this experiment people would continue to list caveats to the conclusion
Let me share a little story:-
A friend of mine with an excellent set up had a recording both on sacd and vinyl mastered by the same engineers
He put on the record to a group of audiophiles and many gushed about how superior vinyl was to digital, after a few minutes he picked up the tonearm mid track revealing they were actually listening to the SACD......
Yes. IMHO no one can be considered wrong on many subjective matters and preference, but when we debate objective technical aspects that can be quantified a nonsense is always a nonsense ...
What would be the basis of a comparison in your view
What would be the metrics, who would decide , what equipment would be used, what media chosen
I could see, since this is such a polarising discussion , that no matter what the outcome of this experiment people would continue to list caveats to the conclusion
Let me share a little story:-
A friend of mine with an excellent set up had a recording both on sacd and vinyl mastered by the same engineers
He put on the record to a group of audiophiles and many gushed about how superior vinyl was to digital, after a few minutes he picked up the tonearm mid track revealing they were actually listening to the SACD......
I think it really just comes down to personal preferences. Al and I can listen to my vinyl system in the afternoon and then to his digital system in the evening and each prefer our own for reasons we may or may not understand. I hear the "digital" signature in his system, and I'm sure he hears the "vinyl" signature in mine. That is just the way it is. There is nothing objective about this aspect of the hobby. It is all very personal, and we are sometimes quite stubborn about our beliefs.
