Tuning Fuses?!

[KBK]

KBK

Not knowing how the ear works has nothing to do with listening. Most people have no idea how a car work and drive. This is not a prerequisite to be able to evaluate a gear or to hear an effect or not. Many who claim they hear differences of that nature (I don't), have no idea whatsoever how the ear works.

The very record or system that you and others are listening and enjoying is based on scientific and engineering principles and their sometimes straightforward applications.

And what you wrote still IME doesn't explain how

Not knowing how the ear works can have quite a bit to do with how one listens. Knowing can make a difference. It is a skill that is both learned and inherent..and knowing can make for a better bit of learning.

My explanation is on this thread:

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?9130-What-Moderate-Priced-Quality-Capacitors/page4

You hear difference, I'm thinking, otherwise you would not be on this forum.

when i speak of those who don't hear differences with fuse changes, I'm thinking that attention to the differences merely needs to be brought to one's attention.


that level of attention depends on the development work, on multiple levels, that has emerged in the person listening. This is my direct experience.

There is a direct parallel in my experiences with 'videophiles' and their projection(device) and imaging desires, expectations, what they look for in an image and what they think they see.

That tonality and detail camps emerge as a basis for video fanatic 'polarity' in general.... same as for audio.

When I speak about fuse naysayers, in the way that I have...to exaggerate a bit...I'm speaking of the folks who think that their mid 70's JVC receiver is as good as an Audio Note Ongaku.

 

[FrantzM]

KBK

Not sure i agree with that. I will not raise some issues that have the virtue of derailing threads, simply that this can;t be sustained that the knowledge of ear function is a requisite to hear differences. For the record I am one of those fuse naysayer.

You do exaggerate ... about the Ongaku and receivers Nor do i care about the Ongaku simply not a SET person or tubes these days. My point in all this , if you hear a substantial difference , enjoy it. If however we are going into scientific explanations let remain so. The point about a fuse working as I quoted you, has not been substantiated in your subsequent posts.

 

[GaryProtein]

I have never had a component fuse blow.

I bypassed the fuses all together having cylindrical billets of palladium cast in an anaerobic atmosphere for the fuse sockets and laser welded my component power inputs to the AC power lines.

 

[KBK]

KBK

Not sure i agree with that. I will not raise some issues that have the virtue of derailing threads, simply that this can;t be sustained that the knowledge of ear function is a requisite to hear differences. For the record I am one of those fuse naysayer.

You do exaggerate ... about the Ongaku and receivers Nor do i care about the Ongaku simply not a SET person or tubes these days. My point in all this , if you hear a substantial difference , enjoy it. If however we are going into scientific explanations let remain so. The point about a fuse working as I quoted you, has not been substantiated in your subsequent posts.

I'd write it off as us both walking slightly different paths in interpretation, meaning, and expression, and leave it at that.

 

[1rsw]

A lot of this stuff has little to do with my original post, interesting none the less. I was looking for specific experiences guy's have had with hifi fuses and some recommendations related to those experiences (hopefully with Spectral gear). I could care less if one "believes" in the results or not. I only care about experiences/application.

There seems to be just a handful available...HiFi Tuning, Furutech, Synergistic and Isoclean are the ones I have seen. I followed the lead here and ordered the HiFi Tuning Supreme, also suggested by another source. I will only be adding them in my amps and the power device I am using on my front end. Should be interesting!

 

[ack]

A lot of this stuff has little to do with my original post, interesting none the less. I was looking for specific experiences guy's have had with hifi fuses and some recommendations related to those experiences (hopefully with Spectral gear). I could care less if one "believes" in the results or not. I only care about experiences/application.

There seems to be just a handful available...HiFi Tuning, Furutech, Synergistic and Isoclean are the ones I have seen. I followed the lead here and ordered the HiFi Tuning Supreme, also suggested by another source. I will only be adding them in my amps and the power device I am using on my front end. Should be interesting!

Funny how some can't keep on topic. When I thought about the supremes it occurred to me that the fancy leads are still connecting to non fancy sockets. So that left the wire in the fuse... Very curious to see what you find out. don't want to spend another 180 for nothing

 

[1rsw]

Ack it's still interesting stuff to read, at least for me. Sometimes these threads help me understand people as much or more so than HiFi stuff! Audiophiles, of course me included, are a very strange lot I hope my comment was not taken wrong as I appreciate the enthusiasm in the thread. Our Spectral forum needs more life!

I'll be sure to report back. My gut says it will be subtle but I have been wrong many times before related to audio. BTW, this is a little off topic but can't remember if I told you. I sold my MA-X and have been using a friends set of 50's. It's very hard to go backwards, I miss a lot of the presence the MA-X brought as well as the sense of space. It's help me realize I very much prefer them and am now hunting for MA-X.2. Finding a 6m set low imp used is proving to be a tough task As you know, their pricing is obscene.

 

[ack]

Ack it's still interesting stuff to read, at least for me. Sometimes these threads help me understand people as much or more so than HiFi stuff! Audiophiles, of course me included, are a very strange lot I hope my comment was not taken wrong as I appreciate the enthusiasm in the thread. Our Spectral forum needs more life!

I'll be sure to report back. My gut says it will be subtle but I have been wrong many times before related to audio. BTW, this is a little off topic but can't remember if I told you. I sold my MA-X and have been using a friends set of 50's. It's very hard to go backwards, I miss a lot of the presence the MA-X brought as well as the sense of space. It's help me realize I very much prefer them and am now hunting for MA-X.2. Finding a 6m set low imp used is proving to be a tough task As you know, their pricing is obscene.

Don't you dare tell me the fuse makes a difference RE cable prices... coincidentally, I went on MIT's web site last night to order 100 pairs of the $45,499 top of the line speaker cable; guess what... no discount at $4.5m. So I decided to wait it out until the _Ultra_ High Definition Lamentably Obscene Weight F.A.T. technology comes out.

 

[nirodha]

Ack it's still interesting stuff to read, at least for me. Sometimes these threads help me understand people as much or more so than HiFi stuff! Audiophiles, of course me included, are a very strange lot I hope my comment was not taken wrong as I appreciate the enthusiasm in the thread. Our Spectral forum needs more life!

I'll be sure to report back. My gut says it will be subtle but I have been wrong many times before related to audio. BTW, this is a little off topic but can't remember if I told you. I sold my MA-X and have been using a friends set of 50's. It's very hard to go backwards, I miss a lot of the presence the MA-X brought as well as the sense of space. It's help me realize I very much prefer them and am now hunting for MA-X.2. Finding a 6m set low imp used is proving to be a tough task As you know, their pricing is obscene.

Are you looking for second hand or do you consider new with a discount?

 

[1rsw]

Are you looking for second hand or do you consider new with a discount?

I don't care if they are second hand or new but I would not consider them without a very deep discount (nor could I afford them).

 

[asiufy]

A lot of this stuff has little to do with my original post, interesting none the less. I was looking for specific experiences guy's have had with hifi fuses and some recommendations related to those experiences (hopefully with Spectral gear). I could care less if one "believes" in the results or not. I only care about experiences/application.

There seems to be just a handful available...HiFi Tuning, Furutech, Synergistic and Isoclean are the ones I have seen. I followed the lead here and ordered the HiFi Tuning Supreme, also suggested by another source. I will only be adding them in my amps and the power device I am using on my front end. Should be interesting!

I got the top of the line Furutechs and used them on my power conditioner. They did more harm than good, adding an annoying harsh/glaze over the high frequencies that made things unbearable.
I had forgotten that I had replaced the fuses on the conditioner, so I thought it was my cables. But these fuses did something that none of my cables could "fix".
OTOH, I have friends that love these Furutechs, so you can't say that's universally bad... But I'd be weary of recommending those. So I'm glad you got the Hi Fi Tuning Let us know how it goes, because I was thinking of trying those, now that I know that the fuses do make a big difference (for better or worse).


alexandre

 

[1rsw]

Thanks Alexandre. Good to know, sounds like it's all about synergy just like the rest of the mess. We will have to wait a bit for my trial as it seems they are backordered. I received the one for my power conditioner but not for the amps. I guess there are a lot of us curious about these fuses all at once!

 

[kennyb123]

I got the top of the line Furutechs and used them on my power conditioner. They did more harm than good, adding an annoying harsh/glaze over the high frequencies that made things unbearable.
I had forgotten that I had replaced the fuses on the conditioner, so I thought it was my cables. But these fuses did something that none of my cables could "fix".
OTOH, I have friends that love these Furutechs, so you can't say that's universally bad...

The Furutech fuses need about a week or two to burn in. A bit of a hard edge mostly disappears after about a week, but then is completely gone after two. But even the not-yet-broken-in Furutech that I placed in my 30S preamp sounded far better overall than the stock fuse. This was a huge upgrade.

The HiFi-Tuning Supreme fuses also seem to get better after week. But they never sound annoying.

 

[ack]

I broke down and ordered two for my amps; they are shipping today says MusicDirect. Maybe I'll hear a cumulative effect.

EDIT: The email confirmation says they are back-ordered. Oh well.

 

[MylesBAstor]

The Furutech fuses need about a week or two to burn in. A bit of a hard edge mostly disappears after about a week, but then is completely gone after two. But even the not-yet-broken-in Furutech that I placed in my 30S preamp sounded far better overall than the stock fuse. This was a huge upgrade.

The HiFi-Tuning Supreme fuses also seem to get better after week. But they never sound annoying.

And at least with the HFT fuses, directionality is important (While Bernd says that Supreme fuses made after I think the beginning of last year are non-directional, not sure that I agree. At least it's worth checking since it doesn't cost anything.) Don't about the other brands of fuses.

 

[asiufy]

Kenny,

Mine went into the power conditioner, and were on 24/7 for about a month. So I guess that was enough time for break in
I'm going to try to put them back in, and play with directionality...


alexandre

 

[kennyb123]

Mine went into the power conditioner, and were on 24/7 for about a month. So I guess that was enough time for break in

In power conditioners they actually need 32 days to fully burn in.

Just kidding. A month would have been more than sufficient.

Which power conditioner? Any chance the fuse was allowing you to better hear what this is doing? One of the most annoying things I tried in my system was a PS Audio Quintet. The effect of this was similar to what you described hearing with the Furutech in your conditioner.

 

[asiufy]

It's a local brand called AC Organizer. It has a separate box for the mains input, where it receives 2 220V lines (plus ground+neutral), and it's in that box that the fuses go (2 fuses).
I actually haven't tested the setup without the power conditioner, but I plan to.

 

[nirodha]

I don't care if they are second hand or new but I would not consider them without a very deep discount (nor could I afford them).

Maybe you could mail me your price ;-) If you are really serious.

 

[Tubedoctor]

I owned the Spectral Dma 360 2 and tried different fuses. Furutech/Padis, Hifi Tunning, AHP, self made all silver ones etc. and i definitly can say they all sound diifferent. I strongly recommend trying high quality fuses!