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Fabulous coverage Ron. Pictures don't do the justice that these snippets of each room show
I thought Ken Songer's S2 (field coil, two-way, open baffle) made music! It was my favorite domestic-sized loudspeaker of the show!
I also thought that the Gryphon Audio Designs room and the Von Schweikert Audio room sounded great!
THX Ron! Great montage of rooms there... That 6 box Evolution speakers system is pretty wild... I once had Infinity IRS Betas... I thought 2 panels and 2 huge sub boxes was a lot! Of course the IRS beta towers were 'only' 1.7 meters tall... not over 2 meters like your Gryphons.
Thank you!
It is a striking-looking speaker system to me! I'm very curious about the woofer driver design.
I think in my video you can see them pumping hard even on Eva Cassidy. So I think there might be something interesting and unusual going on in that design.
I remember pining over the Betas. But today the real biggies, obviously, are Gary's Genesis 1.1/Dragon/Prime loudspeakers.
As a result of a religious experience of the audio nature at Lyric Hi-Fi in 1987, the IRS V is the speaker that got me into this hobby. I love the lineage of how the Pendragon is Flemming's tribute to the IRS V.
Gary's design choices in the big Genesis versus Flemming's design choices in the Pendragon remain a source of fascination for me.
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The biggest system I ever had was 2 pairs of Acoustat Spectra loudspeakers, stitched together with an Accuphase F-25 active crossover. The Acoutstat Spectra 2200 ran down to 100 hz and then I crossed them to the Acoustat Spectra 4400 as sub woofers (they are full range speakers but the 2200s were more transparent in the mids and highs). The Spectra 2200s are 1.7 meters tall and the Spectra 4400s are 2.4 meters tall! The Spectra 4400 were flat to 20 Hz in my room and had the tightest and most authoritative bass I ever had (even better than the Betas 4 x 12 servo controlled woofers). Acoustat used a thicker film than most other electrostats, which A) helped their longetivity greatly (they never need refurbishment unless physically damaged...and they don't arc) and B) gave them much more heft in the bass, which is a common complaint about electrostats. They had bass slam!
Sounds like a very interesting speaker system/set-up. Why did you ever wander away from that?
OK thank you Ron. I misunderstood you. I thought you set up the mic in a similar way in each room. I was looking for some kind of explanation about the mic location relative to the system in each room. There is a sameness to each video. I would’ve expected a greater variety of sounds from the various systems.
Sorry, I did not understand that you meant the physical location of the microphone in each room. In the majority of rooms I recorded from the center or one seat off of the center of the first row. You can tell the other cases in the video when you can see heads in front of the camera.
How can you determine that whatever you are hearing is not approximately representative of the sound in each of the rooms in the video if you weren't there?
Why?
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No, I was not there, but you posted the video, and we can watch and hear it. I can not tell if it is approximately representative of the sound or not approximately representative of the sound, especially if there is no comment from the author of the video. What I can do is comment on the sound of the video, which I did. Based on what I hear on the video, to me, and only to me, based on what I hear, there is a sameness to the sound from each room/system, with only a few exceptions.
Hugh Masekela's Coal Train on the "S.Y.S.T.E.M." is a typical example. It sounds similar to me to many of the other videos of the various systems in different rooms.
Why would I expect a greater variety of system sounds from your video? Based on my experience of listening to different systems live, and to various iPhone videos of systems. I see the variety of systems by looking at the images on the video. I would have expected this variety to provide a greater range of sounds.
What I can not determine is if the systems all sounded more or less similar, or if the recording technique presents a more or less sameness to the viewer/listener.
As an image document, a montage of the weekend, the video was interesting to watch, I imagine especially for those who could not be there in person. For a sense of what the systems sounded like, it is curious to me. Do you think the sound from the various rooms is well represented in your video? And if so, why?
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Thank you for explaining.
There is a third possibility: that sounds from systems composed of currently produced components hastily set-up by dealers in mostly similar rooms exhibit less variance in sound than do systems composed of a mix of currently produced and not currently produced components meticulously set-up by hobbyists in dissimilar rooms in homes.
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