What I mean is that people draw incorrect conclusions about why they hear what they hear. Those with little to no technical understanding of audio, combined with not understanding logic are far more likely to come to incorrect conclusions. An audio system is complex and it's very, very easy to draw incorrect conclusions. I think we have all drawn incorrect conclusions, myself included. Audio is akin to meditation in some ways, and there are different kinds of meditation. System analysis is akin to one type of meditation while listening is related to another. The world is full of ways to help you grow as a human being and audio is a good teacher at times.
While I sell cables, part of the process is helping a potential customer achieve an improvement, and this often has other aspects that need to be addressed besides cables. So I've gone through this with hundreds of people over the years. Sometimes it IS as simple as upgrading a cable but often there are other issues like AC power quality, room acoustics, even the hearing sensitivities of the listener come into play at times due to age or hearing damage, or a particular personal preference.
I'm not going to give specific examples because it may upset people, I am kinda surprised you'd ask me to do this. It's not my place to do so without an invitation from the person specifically asking for my opinion, and even then it's not usually done in a public post. If people are looking into making improvements in their system and want my advise on cabling and AC power I can do that in private, and if it involves other aspects of the system I'm happy to go there if it relates.
I can tell you subjective preference has a basis in real, objective truth whether folks want to believe it or not. When people deny this, it's akin to believing in magic. One definition of magic is a technology we don't understand. This is why you get statements from pure subjectivists like this:
The statement that measurements and "technical hype", which needs to be properly defined... maybe we can say it's technical specifications of a piece of gear? In any case, reality defines these things and defines the sound these things produce! The above statement is a massive logical fallacy, it makes no sense whatsoever. It is only our own failure to be able to correlate measurements to what we hear. In some cases like frequency response, this is really obvious and is proof that these kind of subjectivist statements are misguided and incorrect, a result of faulty logic and an incorrect assessment of how an audio system works, and in fact a faulty assessment of how facts and reality define our world.
Thank you Dave. Yes, people can and do draw wrong conclusions as to why things sound as they do. We all make mistakes, and some more than others. I do not see the damage to which you allude, and without examples, I am left wondering.
I will share some specific examples of my own. Perhap they are what you are talking about. This kind of stuff does not upset me. I thought a particular slight phase/out of focus imaging issue was because of room acoustics. It turned out to be my long interconnects. DDK investigated the room/speaker interaction and then switched my cables for two different pairs that he brought with him. Problem solved. My subjective conclusion was wrong, his what right, but he also had suspicions about the cables before, perhaps for technical reasons, I do not know.
I also attributed some HF distortion to a piece of SS electronics, but later solved the issue with better cartridge alignment. A friend and I heard some HF distortion in his system. We disagreed as to the cause. He addressed it to his satisfaction with room treatments, I still hear it, but to a lesser degree. Finally, that black background and increased contrasts I thought was from an upgraded phono stage I was auditioning was actually from high end cables, TubeTraps, and power conditioning. Once I removed those from the system, I could hear the new ambient information and nuance from the recordings. Those touted items were not lowering noise but rather removing or obscuring information on the recordings or so it certainly seems.
I was also surprised by the increase in naturalness with better speaker orientation that eliminated toe-in. I have since been told that it simply increased reflections and my room was now creating a sense of ambience. Yet, recordings sounded more varied after the change rather than more homogenized.
I have learned much over the years about what can cause particular sonic issues and how to improve the sound of my system. However, in the end, what I care most about is the final result, and that is how natural the system sounds and how much I enjoy my LPs. I have compared all sorts of power cords. Some claim to be technically more advanced or correct with better wires, insulation, and connectors, and yet they do not necessarily sound better in certain system contexts. Do people agree about what measurements are the most important or even necessary? Surely in some cases, for some things, but much seems to remain a mystery. I've tried thinner and longer power cords that sound better than shorter, thicker and much more expensive power cords, both for high current and low current amplifiers. The cheap stuff people denigrate can often sound more realistic and convincing.
I use what sounds best to me in my system. My priority is on listening because my ears seem more reliable at identifying better gear than do the measurements that people tell me are so important. I don't know how to measure dynamics or flow, or naturalness. I will leave the measurements to the designers for whom they are useful and use my ears to select my gear and do the set up. If someone can do a better job, as ddk did a few weeks ago, I am certainly happy to get the help.
Subjective preferences, reality, objective truth, and their relationships can be quite fascinating. What I observe by hearing a symphony becomes a reference for the truth for me in reproduced audio. That reference is the goal and the truth worth pursuing. My observations are my perception of that reality, that truth. That sound as I once heard it is the basis for the decisions and choices I make with my system. The ears are the instruments. My enjoyment is the measurement. I like to learn and have fun along the way.
I like that definition of magic: technology that we do not understand. There is much that I do not understand about the science behind my audio gear and set up, but I certainly hear the magic, and I suspect the greats that designed the gear I just bought, and the guy who optimized it all for me, relied on more than magic. They relied on their ears as the final judge, and they did and do understand things.
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