The man himself..

[JackD201]

They go much higher in SPL than the real thing without breakup. Solo Piano was always easy. It's massed choral crescendos that used to choke the old drivers.

Well there's one way to settle the matter. Let's see if that 2.4kW amp won't fry your eastechs. We want pics

 

[fas42]

They go much higher in SPL than the real thing without breakup. Solo Piano was always easy. It's massed choral crescendos that used to choke the old drivers.

Well there's one way to settle the matter. Let's see if that 2.4kW amp won't fry your eastechs. We want pics

Let's see, 25W drivers with 2400W amp, gee, I'm not sure if there's a mismatch there or not ...

But there are plenty of extremely inefficient drivers out there that might be quite happy for that. Hells bells, there are 18" bass units in sealed boxes that would laugh at that power.

Okay, we're getting somewhere: massed choral crescendos at the starting gate, along the lines of Beethoven's 9th, perhaps. When everything is flat to the boards on the accelerator and there is this massive wall of sound bombarding you, correct?

Frank

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

They go much higher in SPL than the real thing without breakup. Solo Piano was always easy. It's massed choral crescendos that used to choke the old drivers.

Well there's one way to settle the matter. Let's see if that 2.4kW amp won't fry your eastechs. We want pics

Massed choral crescendos are a bitch.

Tim

 

[JackD201]

Let's see, 25W drivers with 2400W amp, gee, I'm not sure if there's a mismatch there or not ...

But there are plenty of extremely inefficient drivers out there that might be quite happy for that. Hells bells, there are 18" bass units in sealed boxes that would laugh at that power.

Okay, we're getting somewhere: massed choral crescendos at the starting gate, along the lines of Beethoven's 9th, perhaps. When everything is flat to the boards on the accelerator and there is this massive wall of sound bombarding you, correct?

Frank

Feels more like being carried off by a huge wave. The Bombardment is Basspig's territory.

 

[JackD201]

Massed choral crescendos are a bitch.

Tim

You betcha!

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

You betcha!

You wanna know if you got congestion? I gotcher congestion right there.

Tim

 

[JackD201]

Lay it on me Tim, I finally got past Katherine Jenkins' choral hijinks. Gimme some torture tracks!

 

[fas42]

Massed choral crescendos are a bitch.

Tim

Yes, plenty of room for decent levels of IMD to get squirted into the mix. The classical equivalent of the Status Quo test, whether a system handles it cleanly without the detail within being pureed into anonymous pulp ...

Frank

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

Lay it on me Tim, I finally got past Katherine Jenkins' choral hijinks. Gimme some torture tracks!

I'll have to go listen again, Jack. But I'm sure if I put on my cheap phones I could find you some examples. I just know that complex choral music seems to be one of the most difficult things for drivers to do. It gets to sounding like a somewhat blurred organ chord instead of a bunch of individual voices. I never quite got it when people talk about the difficulty of reproducing female voices, solo piano, etc. I know they will showcase certain kinds of distortion. But big complex chords show another weakness. And one that bothers me more, frankly.

Tim

 

[fas42]

Gimme some torture tracks!

You've just got it: to what level can you go with Status Quo and keep the cymbals and vocals super clean?

Frank

 

[fas42]

I never quite got it when people talk about the difficulty of reproducing female voices, solo piano, etc. I know they will showcase certain kinds of distortion.

Pretty simple, Tim. They don't like the harshness intruding from difficult, "bad" recordings so they manipulate the type of distortion their system highlights by fiddling with cables and such like. The end result of this process is that the sound is so twisted that female voices and solo piano sound very weird, I've come across this type of system sound many times.

Frank

 

[garylkoh]

Massed choral crescendos are a bitch.

Tim

But when your system can do it, it is just glorious. I use this one as one of my tests:

 

[JackD201]

Thanks Gary!

 

[fas42]

By the way, Jack, I appreciate the previous exchange as it has given me a new reference point:

Ability to reproduce "bad" recordings well => ability to reproduce massed choral crescendos correctly

The first implies the second; the second doesn't guarantee but are strong indicators for the first ...

Frank