The End Of A 35 Year Journey ---Zellaton -The Reference Ultra Final Frontier

Here is a playlist of the tracks Steve and Ray-Dude mentioned as well as links to the Qobuz playlists that were cited. Ephemera is only available on Tidal. The playlist is collaborative so people ought to be able to make changes or corrections as needed.


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And here is a playlist of tracks I heard during my two days at T.H.E. Show. I don't guarantee I'll keep this up for more than a couple of weeks so you might want to copy it to a new playlist in your own library if you find it useful.

 
I’ve had the chance to audition the Plural Evos and the Stage and Statement Klassik speaker lines at Gideon’s old shop using either FM Acoustics and Goldmund electronics and either the Transrotor or Linn tables as sources using my reference albums. While there’s no argument that the two latter speakers excelled at resolution and transparency (see here Jimmy Page’s playing on the Classic Records’ one cut, single side, 45 rpm release of Stairway to Heaven), the Plural Evos were more musical (read here less artificial sounding and didn't draw attention to themselves), warmer and midrange centric. The PEs just had a relaxed quality about them that allowed me at times to suspend disbelief and engulfed in the musician’s playing. As Marty observed when he heard the PEs years ago here, they just totally disappear (and they sound infinitely better now with changes to the system).

What I will also say is the PEs have a high performance ceiling too. You’ll find along the way audio products that hit a wall at a certain point with changes elsewhere in the system. Not here. The sound of PEs continues to improve with changes to electronics, sources, cables, etc. And they are, too, high resolution capable when played with different source material eg. Tape, LP, or CD/Sacd. They must be heard to be believed when used with the best tapes available today.

Of course the new Ultra line is a different beast.
great summary Myles. As I keep saying these Plural Evo speakers simply continue to amaze me. They are as you say very musical and the soundstage for this little speaker is also something quite extraordinary
 
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great summary Myles. As I keep saying these Plural Evo speakers simply continue to amaze me. They are as you say very musical and the soundstage for this little speaker is also something quite extraordinary
I’m just now having a wonderful time listening to the incomparable Johnny Adams, and these PEs don’t sound little. They fill the room and seem to do it effortlessly
 
a few points of clarification. .....The Plural Evo, Reference Klassik and Reference Ultra are from 3 different Zellaton series and therefore there is a big disparity between price point and performance. Yet having said that Ray commented how good the PE was. He did seem to prefer the Reference Klassik at Taiko headquarters but IIRC that speaker is at least twice the cost of the PE. Ray is anxious to hear the Reference Ultra and IIRC it is over 3x the price of the PE. Further each speaker has its own unique set of drivers and crossovers so there is comparison and contrast yet there remains the Zellaton signature as the drivers are all made in house by Zellaton. The Ultra series also has different Duelend capacitors as well as crossovers and drivers from the Klassik series. The Klassik drivers appear silver color whereas the EVO and Ultra series are black. Bottom line, just like any speaker mfr, there is a sonic signature yet every model or series brings something more and/or something different to the table. That's why Im hoping ray will find some time (or maybe even Emile) to comment about the Klassik vs EVO series

Back home after a very engaging and fun weekend in Costa Mesa. Wonderful to see folks in person, and catch up.

Thanks again to Steve and Cathy for so graciously hosting @nenon and me last night. As Steve mentioned, I had been over to enjoy his listening space and hospitality before, when Lukasz visited to debut the Horizon360 with XDMI going to the Taiko Olympus. I had recently received my Olympus as well and completed extensive listening tests (documented in my long form Olympus review https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/revi...audio-olympus-music-server-part-1-of-2-r1305/ ) so I was very familiar with the Olympus sound. That was my first time hearing the Olympus+Horizon XDMI combo, and my first time hearing Steve's system, with his (at the time) Wilsons.

Since then, after many years of digital optimization, I've been on a bit of a world tour auditioning various speakers (part of my on-going Reality Quest). This included a visit earlier this year with Emile Bok and team at Taiko in the Netherlands, where Emile has the Zellaton Classic Reference speakers as part of his reference system. After spending a couple days in Emile's listening room, I was blown away by what I was hearing with the Zellaton + Olympus combination, and it quickly moved to the top of my interest list.

I read with interest about the new ultra series and the EVO series, but had not had a chance to hear them (alas Gideon was traveling last time I was in NYC). When Steve mentioned he had the Plural EVOs in house as a loaner while waiting on his Ultra speakers, I was hyper keen to hear what so many had been saying such wonderful things about.

First, by way of background, several years ago I gave up large full range speakers and went all in on single drivers (most recently Voxativ 9.87's with the Vox 4d drivers), in a quest to get ultimate coherence, transparency, imaging, and speed. I've come to learn that I'm unusually phase sensitive, but very tolerant of tonal imbalances (my brain does natural EQ for that). The Vox's for me give almost full 360 surround imaging, and with improved sources and music content, create a remarkable experience of being in the recording space with the performers. The combination of point source audio and no cross overs and 103dB+ sensitivity has been magical.

For many years I had been pushing my system to get more and more of this sense of "reality", but at the same time, missing the authority and physicality that larger full range speakers bring to the party. With this latest refresh cycle, I was keen to see how much of this missing authority and physicality I could bring back, without losing that amazing holographic phase coherence and speed that I've become so addicted to.

I've always admired the authority and solidity of the Wilson presentation, but always found myself wishing for more when it came to speed, bite at attack edges, and coherence. In Steve's room about 6 months ago with the Olympus and H360, I was finally hearing hints of what I was hoping to hear, but they were still distant from where I was hoping to get to. I appreciate and admire Wilson, but that session was a realization for me that I would be giving up too much of what I love with the Vox's to get everything the Vox's don't have with the Wilsons. Time to keep looking.

In Emile's room, it was my first time hearing a happy combination of these presentations. In Steve's room last night was the second time. I had high expectations with the Plurals, but they exceed them. The contrast between the EVO's and Wilson's in Steve's room and system was striking.

I was immediately struck by the speed and control of the Plurals, and the considerable range that they were able to cover (I was expecting more bookshelf'ish response, but these are real deal). It was amazing how well they scaled to meet the contributions of the rest of the chain. The range and authority was a step down (or two) from the Wilsons, but the speed, imaging, and control was spectacular. There was very little (if any) slop or overshoot on attacks, the the brilliant bass resolution and imaging of the recording space that the Olympus delivers so well was wonderfully present.

It is difficult to compare listening sessions and experiences separated in time, but I would definitely give the edge to the classic reference Zell's I heard at Taiko. There was a wonderful coherence of presentation that gave me a new found appreciation of the importance of speaker drivers being built the same (something I take for granted with my single driver Vox's).

In Emile's room, I was remember more spatial resolution and depth, and more extension of the sound stage beyond the speakers and even to the sides and behind me. There was even more of that exquisite sense of precision and control that (on more challenging) tracks exceeded what I heard with the Plurals -- the classic reference Zells could just roll through more challenging material and reproduce it brilliantly, without breaking a sweat. The more the Olympus could reveal, the more the Zells could precisely present. In Emile's room, my spidey sense was that his Elysium amps were the first component that was approaching limits. I felt the Olympus and Zell's had more to give, which given what the Elysiums are capable of, is truly remarkable.

That being said, the Plurals hit WAY above their weight class. World class speaker in this price range, that can not only keep up with world class systems, but showcase them in the best light possible. These are speakers you would be delighted to install and call it a day and just enjoy the music.

Needless to say, having now heard the EVOs and classic reference Zells in world class rooms, it has me over the moon excited to hear the reference ultras once Steve takes delivery. I have not yet had the opportunity to hear the ultra drivers, but in rooms and with systems like Steve's, it is certain to be breath taking. Very much looking forward to a return visit to hear what the ultras are capable of revealing

Thanks again for a delightful evening Steve! I learned a tremendous amount from the session, and the company and music was marvelous.
 
Great summary Ray. Well articulated and highly informative. As I told you last night as soon as I know when The Reference Ultras are due to arrive along with Gideon I will be in touch to have you here for the install and unveiling

Any comments about the 32 wpc Lamm ML3 driving the Plural Evo as so many have said it just wont suffice
 
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Steve, the Zells are so revealing of upstream components that I can not speak definitively to the contributions of the Lamms. Certainly they seemed to more than hold their own, esp. for the room and types of music we were listening to. I did not hear any obvious gaps or ceilings.

I was reflecting a bit on this last night after I posted my impressions - the Zell's are remarkably revealing of upstream components (part of what made them so remarkable in Emile's room...truly an amazing place to do tuning and R&D on audio equipment, you could trivially hear the most subtle changes). With the Zells, it seems like you're less hearing the speakers than you are the upstream components expressed through the speakers.

In your room, I think it would be informative to (eventually) hear a similarly performative amp with your (eventual) speakers, just to more directly hear the contribution and limits of the other components in your chain.

That is a level of refinement that is definitely sprinkles on the icing on the cake though. You have such a love and care for your amps and your chosen tubes that I would question whether the effort (or any marginal result) would be worth it. There is an entire world of music to rediscover and enjoy in new ways, and you're in a wonderful spot. Looking forward to hearing the big brother ultra Zells soon!
 
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Steve, the Zells are so revealing of upstream components that I can not speak definitively to the contributions of the Lamms. Certainly they seemed to more than hold their own, esp. for the room and types of music we were listening to. I did not hear any obvious gaps or ceilings.

I was reflecting a bit on this last night after I posted my impressions - the Zell's are remarkably revealing of upstream components (part of what made them so remarkable in Emile's room...truly an amazing place to do tuning and R&D on audio equipment, you could trivially hear the most subtle changes). With the Zells, it seems like you're less hearing the speakers than you are the upstream components expressed through the speakers.

In your room, I think it would be informative to (eventually) hear a similarly performative amp with your (eventual) speakers, just to more directly hear the contribution and limits of the other components in your chain.

That is a level of refinement that is definitely sprinkles on the icing on the cake though. You have such a love and care for your amps and your chosen tubes that I would question whether the effort (or any marginal result) would be worth it. There is an entire world of music to rediscover and enjoy in new ways, and you're in a wonderful spot. Looking forward to hearing the big brother ultra Zells soon!
My question actually pertains to the wattage and the use of tubes (32 wpc). I raised the question because several people had suggested that there was no way the Lamm amps would be able to drive the speaker If you recall we had to keep turning down the gain on several songs
 
I thought it sounded wonderful Steve, I didn't hear anything that was concerning at all with the combination.

The proof of the (Lamm) pudding will be in the (Ultra) eating in a couple weeks though, when your big speakers arrive. Eager to hear Gideon's feedback on what he's hearing with the Lamm's vs what he's heard from the speakers with other amps.
 
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My question actually pertains to the wattage and the use of tubes (32 wpc). I raised the question because several people had suggested that there was no way the Lamm amps would be able to drive the speaker If you recall we had to keep turning down the gain on several songs

I have no question about the Lamm amps having enough power (it’s really more about current than WPC) to drive the Zellatons.

The question, which will be a personal one for you, and depending on your tastes of what you want out of your system, is: whether you feel a “lower powered” tube amp (as opposed to a high powered KT88/120/150/170 based amp) has the control, tightness and speed in the low bass that you desire.

If electronica and certain rock & pop is your thing, the answer may be no. So again, combination of your preferences, and what you value, as well as the type of music you listen to, will determine this answer.

My personal preferences, and for the type of music I listen to, would steer me in the direction of certain solid state (JMF, SPEC) or hybrid (Alieno, Ypsilon) designs.

SPEC is my clear favourite of everything I have tried thus far — although I have only tried the 7001 JMF monos (on loan) while I wait for the twice the power and 3x the newly updated/upgraded flagship 9001 monoblocks to be delivered within the next month or so.
 
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The low bass I have now, I have to admit sounds pretty darn good to my ears. Im very happy with my Lamm and once again as stated here many times, Im not changing my electronics. I dont disagree with anything you say BTW. My ears and aural delights are best suited with the Lamm Signature series. I appreciate your feed back
 
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The low bass I have now, I have to admit sounds pretty darn good to my ears. Im very happy with my Lamm and once again as stated here many times, Im not changing my electronics. I dont disagree with anything you say BTW. My ears and aural delights are best suited with the Lamm Signature series. I appreciate your feed back

That’s great news then. If you have found the Lamm to provide you satisfying bass on your prior Wilson, and current Plural EVO speakers, I have no doubt you will find them immensely satisfying with the Reference Ultra.
 
I have no question about the Lamm amps having enough power (it’s really more about current than WPC) to drive the Zellatons.

The question, which will be a personal one for you, and depending on your tastes of what you want out of your system, is: whether you feel a “lower powered” tube amp (as opposed to a high powered KT88/120/150/170 based amp) has the control, tightness and speed in the low bass that you desire.

If electronica and certain rock & pop is your thing, the answer may be no. So again, combination of your preferences, and what you value, as well as the type of music you listen to, will determine this answer.

My personal preferences, and for the type of music I listen to, would steer me in the direction of certain solid state (JMF, SPEC) or hybrid (Alieno, Ypsilon) designs.

SPEC is my clear favourite of everything I have tried thus far — although I have only tried the 7001 JMF monos (on loan) while I wait for the twice the power and 3x the newly updated/upgraded flagship 9001 monoblocks to be delivered within the next month or so.
BTW Jason, this has been a lifelong quest of mine and this is going to carry me across the finish line and even though there is merit in your post, I will defer to Gideon’s judgment and experience re your amps and Zellaton info

Gideon has been correct in every decision I have made in the past 8 months and he has written 2 (and a third coming soon) incredible books on audio. I appreciate your input Jason but Gideon is my guiding light. Thanks for understanding
 
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BTW Jason, this has been a lifelong quest of mine and this is going to carry me across the finish line and even though there is merit in your post, I will defer to Gideon’s judgment and experience re your amps and z info

Gideon has been correct in every decision I have made in the past 8 months and he has written 2 (and a third coming soon) incredible books on audio. I appreciate your input Jason but Gideon ism guiding light. Thanks for understanding

Steve, you don’t owe me any caveats to your explanation.

The ONLY thing that matters for YOUR system is what is satisfying to YOU.

I have no doubt that 10 different audiophiles with the same speakers in 10 different rooms, with 10 different personal preferences and individualities in hearing, would mostly rank 10 different amps (or DACs or cartridges, etc, etc.) in a variety of different orders.

You’re an experienced enough audiophile to know what sound you like, and if you already know you love those amps with those other speakers, there’s no doubt the same will hold true with the Reference Ultra in your room with your ears.
 
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Steve, you don’t owe me any caveats to your explanation.

The ONLY thing that matters for YOUR system is what is satisfying to YOU.

I have no doubt that 10 different audiophiles with the same speakers in 10 different rooms, with 10 different personal preferences and individualities in hearing, would mostly rank 10 different amps (or DACs or cartridges, etc, etc.) in a variety of different orders.

You’re an experienced enough audiophile to know what sound you like, and if you already know you love those amps with those other speakers, there’s no doubt the same will hold true with the Reference Ultra in your room with your ears.
Ty for understanding.I agree once again with everything you said. All roads lead to Rome. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. It's all good
 
Finally some good news...........I received word today that my speakers are finished and that docs are being prepared for shipment

I'm stoked
 
Based on the lead time, ring screw-up that would be expected lol.
Seriously, at least expedited shipping and delivery
 
...I dunno, the jet has the chrome engine rings, Steve.
Just to set the record straight this was not a screw up in the order but rather playing the waiting game for another 12 weeks. I had the option of getting what I ordered ( chrome rings) but it would be up to another 22 weeks OR to have them with black rings and get the speaker by end of June. It was a no brainer Sure the chrome would have been nice but I’ll be very happy with the black on green After all it’s the sound that counts and I always listen with lights out anyway.

It’s all good
 

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