I'm interested but honestly with the commercial carpet used and Noiseout2 under the underpad my speakers are well spiked.
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I'm interested but honestly with the commercial carpet used and Noiseout2 under the underpad my speakers are well spiked.
Congrats! Glad to hear it...was most curious to read your thoughts given how well your room must already be designed and set up. My room has a lot of vibration through the wood on concrete for some reason, and i really am pleased with them under my X1s.
Hardwood under what? Cement, suspended floor?
In my room, with a hardwood floor over a suspended sub floor, the Ultra SS's were horrible. Muddy bass, lost dynamics, lost image.
Are your Stillpoint screwed in tight to the speakers or loose as recommended?
In my room, with a hardwood floor over a suspended sub floor, the Ultra SS's were horrible. Muddy bass, lost dynamics, lost image.
Are your Stillpoint screwed in tight to the speakers or loose as recommended?
it's sorta a suspended floor. it's a floating floor on a Kinetics Noise Control KIP system. So... from top down is:
3/4" maple engineered flooring
1/4" rigid fiberglass
3/4" marine grade plywood
green glue
3/4" marine grade plywood turned 90 degrees
Kinetics Noise Control KIP system
vapor barrier
cement
Stillpoints have about a 1/16 - 3/32" gap
To begin with, it's a room within a room. The inner wall is 2x6 engineered lumber. Everything is glued and screwed.
2x6 with Roxul insulation
ASC damped Resilient channel
3/4" drywall
green glue
3/4" drywall turned 90 degrees
2" 703
fabric
I have a thread on most of the construction HERE
Hi Bruce, you said two months ago, "This is probably the hardest part... that last 2-3%. I know getting it perfecially flat is not going to happen, but at least get it as linear as possible without any major dips/peaks. I do have some flexibility in my listening position and I've already decided to put 2 subs in here and maybe a good EQ system. Now I just have to find them!
I know the subs can take care of the dip at 62Hz and maybe smooth out the response a little more up to 200Hz. We'll see. My only other concern is the 1300Hz null which I might be able to fix by moving my listening position".
Anything new going on? Any new measurements? How is the system sounding? Have the speakers continued to break in? Did you ever figure out what the blue line is for?
I still have not used REW. I thinks its too complicated and as my system sounds so good as it is, I am not particularly worried.
Thanks,
Wendell
I know the subs can take care of the dip at 62Hz and maybe smooth out the response a little more up to 200Hz. We'll see. My only other concern is the 1300Hz null which I might be able to fix by moving my listening position".
Anything new going on? Any new measurements? How is the system sounding? Have the speakers continued to break in? Did you ever figure out what the blue line is for?
I still have not used REW. I thinks its too complicated and as my system sounds so good as it is, I am not particularly worried.
Thanks,
Wendell
First, the easy part. The blue line is a line you can move around to determine freq and amplitude without having to calculate it in your head.
Second, the dealer has been out here 3 times to tweak the system and also add Stillpoints. The last time I shot the room I was +/- 5dB from 18Hz - 500Hz. That's damn good in my book, so doesn't look like I'll be needing any subs.
The only concern I have is from 8k - 20k. The slope is steeper than I'd want it. That is easily fixed by changing resistors in the back of the speaker. This is because the high freq. tend to fall off quicker for every doubling of distance.
I'm thinking is sounds just about as good as it can get. With the addition of the X-30 and the Opus MM2 cables, the last 2-3%% have been tackled!
I thought you had got two turtles ....
Congratulations - IMHO and limited experience they are the best cables for Wilson speakers, better than my XL MM2 by a significant margin. Still regretting loosing an used pair at a great price for a few days ...
Hi Bruce, Excellent! Thanks for the heads up on the blue line. +/- 5db sounds good. I am not a fan of subs, so in my book you are better off without them. They always sound out of synch with real music.
Do you have the mdat of your last response that you can post for us? Do you feel that pursuing REW would be worth the trouble for me? It seems as if you really didn't get much out of it, am I wrong with that statement? If so what were the benefits of using REW?
I am glad you are happy with your new speakers, without mucking them up with subs or EQ.
Thanks,
Wendell
Do you have the mdat of your last response that you can post for us? Do you feel that pursuing REW would be worth the trouble for me? It seems as if you really didn't get much out of it, am I wrong with that statement? If so what were the benefits of using REW?
I am glad you are happy with your new speakers, without mucking them up with subs or EQ.
Thanks,
Wendell
HI Guys, the reason I am skeptical of this measuring thing is several fold. First the biggest problem I see is just the fact that moving the measurement mic a couple of inches to a foot and you have a completely different measured response. How can one eq that? And that assumes one wants to use an Eq in the first place, no real audiophiles that I know of want to spoil the purity and essence of their system with an equalizer. Of course you do see home theater enthusiasts using Eq but thats a different story as they are rarely looking for sound quality, just big boom boom.
Also most people who tune their system use the best tool there is, their ears. This is what Bruce has done ( by knowledgable professionals) and it worked for him as well as several others here on WBF.
I quote below from a thread on which a member had his system voiced by Peter Smith, a professional tuner with a great book and he writes....
"I should mention that - out of the over 700 systems I've voiced - for the evaluation session, I rarely ever perform any measurements (maybe 10% of the time), preferring to determine the areas of difficulty by ear on actual recordings that I bring with me.
I can perform measurements if something is especially challenging, but rarely need to do so. As an example (as MadFloyd can attest), no measurements were taken until the beginning of the voicing session.
I would not expect to perform measurements of edorr's set-up during the initial evaluation, although you never know."
Also evident is that my system sounds great with response to below 20hz, tuned by ear!
And last but not least we all know the folly of buying equipment based on measurements!
But I do still find the measuring thing interesting none the less.
Wendell,
Also most people who tune their system use the best tool there is, their ears. This is what Bruce has done ( by knowledgable professionals) and it worked for him as well as several others here on WBF.
I quote below from a thread on which a member had his system voiced by Peter Smith, a professional tuner with a great book and he writes....
"I should mention that - out of the over 700 systems I've voiced - for the evaluation session, I rarely ever perform any measurements (maybe 10% of the time), preferring to determine the areas of difficulty by ear on actual recordings that I bring with me.
I can perform measurements if something is especially challenging, but rarely need to do so. As an example (as MadFloyd can attest), no measurements were taken until the beginning of the voicing session.
I would not expect to perform measurements of edorr's set-up during the initial evaluation, although you never know."
Also evident is that my system sounds great with response to below 20hz, tuned by ear!
And last but not least we all know the folly of buying equipment based on measurements!
But I do still find the measuring thing interesting none the less.
Wendell,
What i got out of REW is a better understanding of acoustics. It is a tool that is to be used in conjunction with other tools... like your ears. I started using this software with a speaker that had orders of magnitude 
of adjustments and wasn't getting any help from the manufacturer. I wanted to better understand what I was hearing coincided with what I was seeing on the graphs. I've read books, forums and so many manuals, that I wanted to start understanding how rooms interact with sources and how best to work with what I had. I went into this venture hoping to limit my cash outlay and do this on my own. My objectives are totally different from the everyday audiophile. If I make a .5dB adjustment at 125Hz, I want to make damn sure it's because the music needs it and not because of some deficiency in my room/equipment. I also have my head/seat in a pretty fixed position at my mastering console, so I don't need a large sweet spot. I've spent 6x$ on a room build. Bob Hodas got almost a dead flat tracing with my previous speakers, so I know the room could do it.
REW has helped me tremendously and would encourage anyone that wants to get that last 2-3% out of your system to download it and get a decent calibrated mic.
of adjustments and wasn't getting any help from the manufacturer. I wanted to better understand what I was hearing coincided with what I was seeing on the graphs. I've read books, forums and so many manuals, that I wanted to start understanding how rooms interact with sources and how best to work with what I had. I went into this venture hoping to limit my cash outlay and do this on my own. My objectives are totally different from the everyday audiophile. If I make a .5dB adjustment at 125Hz, I want to make damn sure it's because the music needs it and not because of some deficiency in my room/equipment. I also have my head/seat in a pretty fixed position at my mastering console, so I don't need a large sweet spot. I've spent 6x$ on a room build. Bob Hodas got almost a dead flat tracing with my previous speakers, so I know the room could do it. REW has helped me tremendously and would encourage anyone that wants to get that last 2-3% out of your system to download it and get a decent calibrated mic.
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