Speakers for Kondo Ongaku... Please Help

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I would just live with what you have for six months and then see how you feel, especially as you are currently satisfied. Enjoy music vs the equipment for a while.
 
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I think I might take up your advise. Thanks! The search has ended…
Agree, but did you switch the amps around to get an idea what two Air Tights might sound like?
 

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Agree, but did you switch the amps around to get an idea what two Air Tights might sound like?
I will next week when the audio guy come to setup the TT. I can’t do nothing with my limited mobility right now.
 

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I will audition the WVL Son and Berlin next week from my most favorite dealer, also the Classic Audio T-3.4 from another dealer I just get to know yesterday. The Classic Audio dealer offered me to bring in the T-1.5 to Indonesia from his existing stock in the UK, but I don’t wanna say yes yet, although he said no commitment I am not the kind of person that would feel good if I put the dealer I just knew through the burden of importing for my audition and I ended up buying something else not from him entirely.

WVL Son seems to be a spectacular speakers based on the non existence of negative comments about it. If the Son works for me then I might be tempted to just order in its bigger brother London or buy the flagship Berlin he has on stock. I doubt Berlin will work though but will give it a try.

Although there are many excellent options for horn speakers mentioned here, if I can help it I prefer to get something I can audition first. Right now I can audition the following speakers locally:
- Classic Audio T-3.4
- Avantgarde Uno Mezzo
- WVL Berlin and Son (Field Coil not Horn)
Aside from the above speakers, Diesis Roma and Caput Mundi along with Volti Vittora and Rival SE are high on my list for the “buying blind/deaf” category of the selection (ie. if I have to buy blind/deaf between AA Duo Mezzo XD Vs. Diesis Caput Mundi I will pick the later)
A Friend of mine has the Classic Audio T3 older pair with single 15 inch woofer and Ongaku. It sounds fantastic. I'm ordering the new T 3.4 with Field coil drivers for my Ongaku
 

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I will next week when the audio guy come to setup the TT. I can’t do nothing with my limited mobility right now.
Any updates on your system?
 

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please do not mix different amps in bi-amping configuration. if you can afford use two pairs of kagura and g-1000. BTW I personally prefer a single pair over a bi-amp pair cause I think bi-amping causes many problems, solving a little. on the other hand using different amps is unacceptable and
best thing to do is getting a good speaker for your single amp instead of bi-amp IMHO.
Agree. You are also adding distortion if you bi-amp. That’s according to Herve at DarTZeel.
Look at more sensitive speakers that can be a better match for one Ongaku. Most don’t realize how power is really needed to play 105dB peaks, which is a minimum if you want to accurately reproduce most types of music. For instance, Art D at Stereophile once measured 107dB peaks sitting in row 5 at a symphony.
 

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I will audition the WVL Son and Berlin next week from my most favorite dealer, also the Classic Audio T-3.4 from another dealer I just get to know yesterday. The Classic Audio dealer offered me to bring in the T-1.5 to Indonesia from his existing stock in the UK, but I don’t wanna say yes yet, although he said no commitment I am not the kind of person that would feel good if I put the dealer I just knew through the burden of importing for my audition and I ended up buying something else not from him entirely.

WVL Son seems to be a spectacular speakers based on the non existence of negative comments about it. If the Son works for me then I might be tempted to just order in its bigger brother London or buy the flagship Berlin he has on stock. I doubt Berlin will work though but will give it a try.

Although there are many excellent options for horn speakers mentioned here, if I can help it I prefer to get something I can audition first. Right now I can audition the following speakers locally:
- Classic Audio T-3.4
- Avantgarde Uno Mezzo
- WVL Berlin and Son (Field Coil not Horn)
Aside from the above speakers, Diesis Roma and Caput Mundi along with Volti Vittora and Rival SE are high on my list for the “buying blind/deaf” category of the selection (ie. if I have to buy blind/deaf between AA Duo Mezzo XD Vs. Diesis Caput Mundi I will pick the later)
Any updates?
I’m a client of WVL and can attest to their excellent customer service and attention to detail.
I would rule out the Classic Audio - they are in a different (Lower) league than the WVL or Avantegarde. When I see a speaker that costs more than $25K and is not physically time-aligned, I hit the Pass button.
 

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Any updates?
I’m a client of WVL and can attest to their excellent customer service and attention to detail.
I would rule out the Classic Audio - they are in a different (Lower) league than the WVL or Avantegarde. When I see a speaker that costs more than $25K and is not physically time-aligned, I hit the Pass button.
I would disagree with your opinion of the Classic Audio T3.4 being a lower level than Avant-garde. Classic Audio sounds more real and can play all sorts of music. Avant-garde to me seems to Hifi ish. I have heard Classic Audio several times. I've heard it sound amazing and Ive heard it sound not so good. I believe it's in the choice of electronics, cables, and setup.
Haven't heard the WVL but they have peaked my interest.
 
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Has anyone heard the Destination Audio Nika. If so what's your opinion of them? They look nice.
I’ve heard them a few times at the Warsaw AV show, in 2018 I believe. R2R tape and Jadis 845 amps. They only played a handful of tracks from tape, so kind of limited sampling, but I enjoyed it a lot. One of my show favourites, for sure.
 

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I’ve heard them a few times at the Warsaw AV show, in 2018 I believe. R2R tape and Jadis 845 amps. They only played a handful of tracks from tape, so kind of limited sampling, but I enjoyed it a lot. One of my show favourites, for sure.
That's good to hear. Did they play mostly audiophile type music? Or did they have any classic rock? I'm looking for speakers that can play it all. I've been looking at WVL which seems to be liked a lot out there and sounds very promising. Destination Audio,and Classic Audio.
 

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That's good to hear. Did they play mostly audiophile type music? Or did they have any classic rock? I'm looking for speakers that can play it all. I've been looking at WVL which seems to be liked a lot out there and sounds very promising. Destination Audio,and Classic Audio.
I was going to say that they played some Blues Company, but I think it was actually Todor "Toscho" Todorovic's solo effort that year. Track 4 'Oh Lord' from this album.

I've never seen or heard any of the Classic Audio speakers. WVL I've seen in Munich, but never really got to listen properly.
 

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That's good to hear. Did they play mostly audiophile type music? Or did they have any classic rock? I'm looking for speakers that can play it all. I've been looking at WVL which seems to be liked a lot out there and sounds very promising. Destination Audio,and Classic Audio.
I can vouch for WVL being able to do it all. I import the line into the states; feel free to DM/call/text if you're curious.
 

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A Friend of mine has the Classic Audio T3 older pair with single 15 inch woofer and Ongaku. It sounds fantastic. I'm ordering the new T 3.4 with Field coil drivers for my Ongaku
You wont regret it by far one of the most musical and easy to pair with almost any amplifiers.
 
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Any updates?
I’m a client of WVL and can attest to their excellent customer service and attention to detail.
I would rule out the Classic Audio - they are in a different (Lower) league than the WVL or Avantegarde. When I see a speaker that costs more than $25K and is not physically time-aligned, I hit the Pass button.
Oh wow, how does one work out if a speaker is Time Aligned? Did you open it up and study the drivers or the Crossovers? Im curious to how you managed to trash one brand you don't own and prob not heard but praise the one you do?

Lower League? client or a staff @ WVL :cool:

I don't think I would have the balls to trash any speaker unless I have lived with them. These claims your making are misleading. I have both Full Field Coils T3.4 and T1.5. Iv lived with various speakers, Point Source, Single Drivers, Various Horns, electrostatic and various Studio Speakers both Active systems and passive.

I also Own The Line Magnetic Field Coils and have the LM3 which I would consider more romantic and coloured but very musical.

By Far The Classic Audio Speaker is my Fav till this date with the accumulated experience in circling speakers in the last 28 years. Which is still not much to some of the Titans on this forum but still should mount to something.

The Classic Audio Loudspeaker is the only speaker on the planet which has Beryllium Field Coil Drivers. To my knowledge so far no other Horn Driver has both in a single driver! No only is this is difficult feat to pull of it is by far one of the best horns iv heard to date and that includes those Giants from Japan!!!

John Wolff kept demoing his speaking with SS Power supply. The speaker sound Magical with Tube Power supplies.


Most of the claims you made just don't make sense you cant tell if the speaker is time aligned unless you have physically worked with the drivers and crossovers and measured it.
 

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I’m a client of WVL and can attest to their excellent customer service and attention to detail.
I would rule out the Classic Audio - they are in a different (Lower) league than the WVL or Avantegarde. When I see a speaker that costs more than $25K and is not physically time-aligned, I hit the Pass button.
The Avantegarde is not physically time aligned and uses DSP to time align. In every instance the Classic Audio is a better speaker: better design, better construction and better drivers. The tweeter used in the Avantgarde costs less that $100.

Add the field coil drivers to the Classic Audio, and there is really no contest.
 
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Classic Audio Loudspeakers can do it all with extremely high spl level with out compression.

Iv tried Drum and Bass, Hip-Hop, Hard House, Rock, Classical Musical, Break Beat and EDM. i could not hit compression where the speakers feel stressed out, it just coast along and my ears give up before the speakers does.
 

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The Classic Audio Loudspeaker is the only speaker on the planet which has Beryllium Field Coil Drivers. To my knowledge so far no other Horn Driver has both in a single driver! No only is this is difficult feat to pull of it is by far one of the best horns iv heard to date and that includes those Giants from Japan!!!
FYI, ESD Acoustics has several speaker models using Truextent Beryllium diaphragms with Field Coil magnets. In fact, they make six different drivers that use both.
 

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