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Ron’s New System
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It appears that my room + system has undergone a successful exorcism.
All it took was a herd of pigs who then cast themselves into the sea?
I’m sure @bonzo75 have the answer.. LOLWhat is the hyperbole police opinion on audio exorcisms and its consequences?
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As a heathen I was unaware of this biblical reference.
Yes; Marty, as Jesus, exorcised the demons out of my room + system. But there were no pigs. The demons asked to be cast into the chemical gounds, and Marty obliged.
The stock Clarisys Studio cross-overs have 12dB slopes. Florián and I thought that perhaps 6dB slopes would offer a fuller upper bass to lower midrange. That thought was incorrect.
The original 12dB cross-overs are back and the edginess I wrestled with from the 6dB slope cross-overs for the last few weeks went away. Hat tip to Uros (Thundersnow) for diagnosing this as the likely source of the edginess. 6dB cross-overs ask the midrange/tweeter ribbons to play too low.
Marty visited me for four days, and I had a wonderful time with him. Marty, being a natural problem-solver, was determined to leave me with better sound than he found me. Marty accepted the parameters of (i) Frankenstein system, (ii) tri-amplification and (iii) passive cross-overs.
Marty accustomed himself to the system for a day or so. Marty has a Steinway piano in the back of his listening room, and one of his set-up techniques is to solve for the most natural piano reproduction possible.
Marty moved each Clarisys speaker two inches towards the middle, and he moved the Gryphon bass towers forward and in-line with the ribbon panels. He also moved the listening chair back an inch or two toward the rear wall.
These position changes noticeably improved dynamics and impact and smoothness and naturalness. Removing the edginess caused by the 6dB cross-overs allowed us to remove DIY Zobel networks which I had installed as a Band-Aid to reduce edginess, but they also sacrificed "air" and open-ness.
This is the happiest I've been with the sound of the system since I started this thread.
Thank you very, very, very much Marty!
The original 12dB cross-overs are back and the edginess I wrestled with from the 6dB slope cross-overs for the last few weeks went away. Hat tip to Uros (Thundersnow) for diagnosing this as the likely source of the edginess. 6dB cross-overs ask the midrange/tweeter ribbons to play too low.
Marty visited me for four days, and I had a wonderful time with him. Marty, being a natural problem-solver, was determined to leave me with better sound than he found me. Marty accepted the parameters of (i) Frankenstein system, (ii) tri-amplification and (iii) passive cross-overs.
Marty accustomed himself to the system for a day or so. Marty has a Steinway piano in the back of his listening room, and one of his set-up techniques is to solve for the most natural piano reproduction possible.
Marty moved each Clarisys speaker two inches towards the middle, and he moved the Gryphon bass towers forward and in-line with the ribbon panels. He also moved the listening chair back an inch or two toward the rear wall.
These position changes noticeably improved dynamics and impact and smoothness and naturalness. Removing the edginess caused by the 6dB cross-overs allowed us to remove DIY Zobel networks which I had installed as a Band-Aid to reduce edginess, but they also sacrificed "air" and open-ness.
This is the happiest I've been with the sound of the system since I started this thread.
Thank you very, very, very much Marty!
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The stock Clarisys Studio cross-overs have 12dB slopes. Florián and I thought that perhaps 6dB slopes would offer a fuller upper bass to lower midrange. That thought was incorrect.
The original 12dB cross-overs are back and the edginess I wrestled with from the 6dB slope cross-overs for the last few weeks went away. Hat tip to Uros (Thundersnow) for diagnosing this as the likely source of the edginess. 6dB cross-overs ask the midrange/tweeter ribbons to play too low.
Marty visited me for four days, and I had a wonderful time with him. Marty, being a natural problem-solver, was determined to leave me with better sound than he found me. Marty accepted the parameters of Frankenstein system, tri-amplification and passive cross-overs.
Marty accustomed himself to the system for a day or so. Marty has a Steinway piano in the back of his listening room, and one of his set-up techniques is to solve for the most natural piano reproduction possible.
Marty moved each Clarisys speaker two inches towards the middle, and he moved the Gryphon bass towers forward and in-line with the ribbon panels. He also moved the listening chair back an inch or two toward the rear wall.
These position changes noticeably improved dynamics and impact and smoothness and naturalness. Removing the edginess caused by the 6dB cross-overs allowed us to remove DIY Zobel networks which I had installed as a Band-Aid to reduce edginess, but they also sacrificed "air" and open-ness.
This is the happiest I've been with the sound of the system since I started this thread.
Thank you very, very, very much Marty!
Great to hear about the progress, Ron!
You may remember that upon my last visit I also suggested to move the Clarysis speakers closer together. Marty obviously went beyond that with his adjustments.
Marty also suggested Philips Hue mood lights:
I've since removed the light in the center, as I found it distracting.
PS: In installing the Hue lights I discovered that they retain their programming even after you un-plug the Hue Bridge. So I can use them with my regular remote control devices.
I've since removed the light in the center, as I found it distracting.
PS: In installing the Hue lights I discovered that they retain their programming even after you un-plug the Hue Bridge. So I can use them with my regular remote control devices.
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If you have up to 10 lights you can use directly with Bluetooth. hue bridge is required to use more than that up to 50, which you will do if you use all around the house and outside in the pool area
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Hi Ron,
Very happy to hear things in your system finally has started to work properly. Well done guys - both Marty and You! Also very cool with the lights. All these smaller things actually help to get into serious listening mood. So I’m very happy for you, congratulations!
/ Jk
Very happy to hear things in your system finally has started to work properly. Well done guys - both Marty and You! Also very cool with the lights. All these smaller things actually help to get into serious listening mood. So I’m very happy for you, congratulations!
/ Jk
The Virgin Marty is renowned for performing miracles.
If you remember I told you audio equipments are not edgy or bright or analytical and now you see speaker position can change the game.The stock Clarisys Studio cross-overs have 12dB slopes. Florián and I thought that perhaps 6dB slopes would offer a fuller upper bass to lower midrange. That thought was incorrect.
The original 12dB cross-overs are back and the edginess I wrestled with from the 6dB slope cross-overs for the last few weeks went away. Hat tip to Uros (Thundersnow) for diagnosing this as the likely source of the edginess. 6dB cross-overs ask the midrange/tweeter ribbons to play too low.
Marty visited me for four days, and I had a wonderful time with him. Marty, being a natural problem-solver, was determined to leave me with better sound than he found me. Marty accepted the parameters of (i) Frankenstein system, (ii) tri-amplification and (iii) passive cross-overs.
Marty accustomed himself to the system for a day or so. Marty has a Steinway piano in the back of his listening room, and one of his set-up techniques is to solve for the most natural piano reproduction possible.
Marty moved each Clarisys speaker two inches towards the middle, and he moved the Gryphon bass towers forward and in-line with the ribbon panels. He also moved the listening chair back an inch or two toward the rear wall.
These position changes noticeably improved dynamics and impact and smoothness and naturalness. Removing the edginess caused by the 6dB cross-overs allowed us to remove DIY Zobel networks which I had installed as a Band-Aid to reduce edginess, but they also sacrificed "air" and open-ness.
This is the happiest I've been with the sound of the system since I started this thread.
Thank you very, very, very much Marty!
If you listen to your playback in DPOLS position you will not sell your playback even at 50 million dollars
I don't think it took anything like a miracle to remove the edginess of the tweeter that Ron was experiencing. Uros got it right,. For reasons I don't quite understand, somebody thought it was a good idea to uses a 6 db/octave crossover into the tweeters rather than the 12 db/octave crossover that came with the original speaker. I almost passed out when I saw the tweeter excursion when using the 6 db/octave crossover. I thought the tweeters were going to launch out of the cabinet as their excursion was easily +/- 1 inch. Distortion had to be in the 5-10% range! Once the correct 12 dB/octave crossover was re-installed, the tweeter performance, driven by that Italian parallel SET amps was just superb. Violins in particular were sweet and wonderful with the "breath of life" of the real thing. That ribbon tweeter with those amps were deeply satisfying, at least to my ears. Bottom line- Frankenstein lives! And it sounds pretty darned good as well.
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I disagree strongly with this statement. Numerous components in audio sold today to my ears are edgy or bright or analytical.
I do not know what is your quantification of "change the game." I know that the 6dB slope crossovers were causing most, if not all, of the edginess.
Everyone knows that speaker position can change the sound.
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