Robert Harley's Room

I was referring to concussive impact. Not messing up the midrange, the neutrality, the transparency and what I call the point of singularity where everything lines up perfectly is very very tricky. If you’re all about spatial cues, soundstage and feeling the kick drum in your chest all these are less important. I’m not saying either should be preferred but to me I’m all about the former. I’ll gladly take the latter when everything else permits it.

IMO the lack of "concussive impact" is mainly caused by poor speaker and/or listening position, that conflicts with subwoofer use. Although measurements will not help in the final optimization phase, that should be carried by listening, they can help of lot in the set up and positioning of subwoofers. REW is an excellent tool , as we can play /compare many measurement takes in a single screen.
 
I just finished watching the video. Thank you for posting it. I do think it is very cool of Chuck to go around in his RV and interview and film these owners in their listening rooms. I watched the one of Bobvin, Rhapsody West, too. These videos serve as good introductions to the system and room and their owner, and find them quite interesting.

To me, the room sounded a bit overdamped. People have commented about how few acoustic treatments there are in the room, but, the room is custom designed with non resonant studs/walls. It is fully carpeted, and there are still a bunch of treatments on the wall. And you can hear it on the video. I do like the access door to the garage. That makes a lot of sense for a reviewer of large gear.

I am curious about why the massive CH monos are not closer to the speakers, especially the left channel. It looks like there is room to clear the door, but perhaps not. It makes for a pretty long set of speaker cables. With the exception of the "Sunshine of your WUB" track, it seems that RH chose the demo songs. I am reminded of a house visit I made to my dealer. I had traveled with about ten LPs. I had hoped I would have a chance to listen to some of them. The first evening we went down to the main listening room and he said, "I see you brought some records with you. Please choose one and put it on the turntable." That was refreshing, but boy was I nervous about touching his turntable.

I was actually a bit surprised that Chuck did not request to hear the Basis turntable and that RH did not offer to play it, both seeming content to have Robert simple select streams from his pad. Especially after he introduced it and commented on the form follows function design and on the record weight. That was a bit disappointing, though to be fair, maybe Chuck edited it out of the video and we just don’t see it.

Anyway, I appreciate another enjoyable video about one of these HiEnd big brand systems in an actual domestic environment.
 
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IMO the lack of "concussive impact" is mainly caused by poor speaker and/or listening position, that conflicts with subwoofer use. Although measurements will not help in the final optimization phase, that should be carried by listening, they can help of lot in the set up and positioning of subwoofers. REW is an excellent tool , as we can play /compare many measurement takes in a single screen.
Sure. I understand your points. What you are not taking into account is that very large diameter drivers with dedicated amplification create a ton of air movement that is not possible without them. It’s just not physically possible. This wave launch alters the sound in a way no perfect set up or REW tool can duplicate. I don’t generally favor it due to the negative knock on effects that often accompany them but in some cases (XVX) in a room that can support them (rare) they can be quite awesome. Love them or hate them they can’t be duplicated by clever set up. You can of course optimize the driver surface you do have available but that’s different than adding more driver surface area and then optimizing it with its inherent trade offs.
 
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I just finished watching the video. Thank you for posting it. I do think it is very cool of Chuck to go around in his RV and interview and film these owners in their listening rooms. I watched the one of Bobvin, Rhapsody West, too. These videos serve as good introductions to the system and room and their owner, and find them quite interesting.

To me, the room sounded a bit overdamped. People have commented about how few acoustic treatments there are in the room, but, the room is custom designed with non resonant studs/walls. It is fully carpeted, and there are still a bunch of treatments on the wall. And you can hear it on the video. I do like the access door to the garage. That makes a lot of sense for a reviewer of large gear.

I am curious about why the massive CH monos are not closer to the speakers, especially the left channel. It looks like there is room to clear the door, but perhaps not. It makes for a pretty long set of speaker cables. With the exception of the "Sunshine of your WUB" track, it seems that RH chose the demo songs. I am reminded of a house visit I made to my dealer. I had traveled with about ten LPs. I had hoped I would have a chance to listen to some of them. The first evening we went down to the main listening room and he said, "I see you brought some records with you. Please choose one and put it on the turntable." That was refreshing, but boy was I nervous about touching his turntable.

I was actually a bit surprised that Chuck did not request to hear the Basis turntable and that RH did not offer to play it, both seeming content to have Robert simple select streams from his pad. Especially after he introduced it and commented on the form follows function design and on the record weight. That was a bit disappointing, though to be fair, maybe Chuck edited it out of the video and we just don’t see it.

Anyway, I appreciate another enjoyable video about one of these HiEnd big brand systems in an actual domestic environment.

It’s challenging to judge a room based on shitty mics. I have been there and the room never sounded overdamped to me.
 
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The room and system is awesome. Socks with sandals - please, cringe worthy :rolleyes:
 
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It’s very interesting, AudioQuest is great company but I did not see them in the High End show room Munich, in most of the time I saw Nordost.
Also, RH use Shunyata power cords in his system so it’s not really matter to use all the cables in the system from only one brand.
 
It’s very interesting, AudioQuest is great company but I did not see them in the High End show room Munich, in most of the time I saw Nordost.
Also, RH use Shunyata power cords in his system so it’s not really matter to use all the cables in the system from only one brand.

Audio quest last year had a room.with the RP orion in munich , iirc
 
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Building a home right now. Will have a room that is for listening and having glasses of wine with my wife. I have found including her in the process has increased my buying power on my new equipment. I am new to the hifi game. I started out from an educational perspective below novice and now maybe a little above novice. I really get a lot from reading all the post on here. Have dedicate line to the room with subpanel in closet next to the room. Doing the Isowall system in the room. My worry is too much treatment in the room and thus when the home is completed and the new purchases are moved into the room, I am going to do no treatments and work from there. Actually will try to some corner traps just because of the geometry of the room. Maybe set a few things on shelves for reflection points as well. My question is how do you add acoustics to the room as far as listening quality. I mean with cables there seems to be an order of importance that many agree upon. Do u just do a sweep of the room and then adjust to your preference or any other advice you may have. TIA.
 
Welcome to WBF! That sounds like a very exciting project!

My personal view is that whatever sonic equation professional acousticians are solving for it usually, if not always, results in over-damped, slightly lifeless listening rooms.

It doesn't make sense to me to outfit fully with acoustic treatment a dedicated listening room without hearing and measuring how one's actual loudspeaker system in the context of one's actual audio system actually sounds subjectively and performs objectively in that room. Full acoustic treatment in advance makes even less sense to me if one does not know which loudspeakers one will be installing in the room.

I think it makes sense to build solid, rigid and structurally sound walls and floor and ceiling. I think natural brick and natural hardwood are good interior wall materials. But I am glad I did not build into the walls, floor and ceiling, and bake irreversibly into the cake, a lot of absorption.
 
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Building a home right now. Will have a room that is for listening and having glasses of wine with my wife. I have found including her in the process has increased my buying power on my new equipment. I am new to the hifi game. I started out from an educational perspective below novice and now maybe a little above novice. I really get a lot from reading all the post on here. Have dedicate line to the room with subpanel in closet next to the room. Doing the Isowall system in the room. My worry is too much treatment in the room and thus when the home is completed and the new purchases are moved into the room, I am going to do no treatments and work from there. Actually will try to some corner traps just because of the geometry of the room. Maybe set a few things on shelves for reflection points as well. My question is how do you add acoustics to the room as far as listening quality. I mean with cables there seems to be an order of importance that many agree upon. Do u just do a sweep of the room and then adjust to your preference or any other advice you may have. TIA.
If I may. First get the bones right. Get dedicated 20 amp lines for the outlets to be used for the gear in the room. Have that isolated from all electrical devices such as dimmers etc. Make sure that the HVAC is quiet and will not interfere. I suggest linear diffusers. Your HVAC guy will know what that is. Do you have the dimensions of the completed space including windows doors etc? You can take those and have computer modeling of the room done and have an idea of what will be required for treatment. THis is not expensive particularly if you are working with a dealer to do your project. This will give you a good start. Best of luck
 

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