Repositioning my setup in the living room yield tremendous results

exupgh12

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A few weeks ago, the talented CTO of Magico LLC, Mr. Yair Tamm, visited my house.

After a fascinating conversation about various topics, most of which are not related to audio, we turned to listen to the audio system, at the end of the listening, I asked Yeir for tips on maximizing the setup.

Yair's advised me to reverse my listening direction by 90 degrees so that at the sitting point there will be no wall close to my head, and the speakers will stand next to parallel walls (instead of the typical Israeli living rooms constellation, where one speaker finds itself next to open space and the other next to a wall/window), and in addition, the living room dresser won't be placed among the speakers.

A few days after Yair's visit, a dear friend volunteered to help with the project of disassembling and assembling the living space and the system, moving it to its new location so that it would be placed at 90 degrees from its previous location.

After tedious work (due to the weight and quantity of the components) the system was assembled so that the speakers stand parallel to the side walls and are about 70 cm away from the parallel wall next to them.

Behind the speakers is a wall and the glass showcase of the living room, covered with a thick curtain with many folds.

The audio cabinet is now placed between the speakers

In the current configuration, the distance between the tweeter to tweeter is about 2.70 cm and the distance from the listener is about 3.1 meters from the front of the speakers.
The sofa was moved, so that its place was set in front of the speakers, behind it a large space with the nearest wall being far away in the kitchen at a distance of about five meters from the listening point.

Without mincing words, the improvement I received from the new positioning is tremendous in every dimension you can think of (including the visibility of the living space which feels and looks bigger than before - even though the square footage has not changed of course). The size and depth of the stage, the neutralization of interference, and the sounds of Mid's are floating in the space with so many layers and depth in the lower notes.


The speaker's drivers work as one unit (coherent) to produce a wall of music (you can feel the stage depth and wide), while being able to increase the volume to an unimaginable intensity, and still get a clean and clear sound and tonality. Micro and macro dynamics capabilities had also increased for the better.


The amplifiers feel as if they have received huge reserves of power and as much as it may not sound logical, me and the friends who visited all claim to reduce the gap between the capabilities of the digital and those of the vinyl.

What hasn't changed is the whizzing of the system, it remains neutral on the verge of slight warmth.


A day after the change, Mr. Tamm honored me with another visit out of curiosity to listen to the change in sound that took place due to the new location (the smile and superlatives left no doubt about his opinion of the result).


For me, this is the biggest upgrade I've received in sound (and I think also in the appearance of the space, which looks bigger and more open than ever), and this at a cost of 0 (if you don't count a busy back).

In short, I recommend to those who can play with the direction of your system, who knows, you might make a big profit.



Here are some pictures before (first pic) and after the placement change
 

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Proper setup is crucial fir every system, good job!

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Very nice setup. Congratulations.

So glad you found your rooms acoustical fit for your system.

Makes a huge difference, doesn’t it?

Enjoy.
 
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exupgh12

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Very nice setup. Congratulations.

So glad you found your rooms acoustical fit for your system.

Makes a huge difference, doesn’t it?

Enjoy.
I would say it’s critical if you want to get most of your system.
 

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A few weeks ago, the talented CTO of Magico LLC, Mr. Yair Tamm, visited my house.

After a fascinating conversation about various topics, most of which are not related to audio, we turned to listen to the audio system, at the end of the listening, I asked Yeir for tips on maximizing the setup.

Yair's advised me to reverse my listening direction by 90 degrees so that at the sitting point there will be no wall close to my head, and the speakers will stand next to parallel walls (instead of the typical Israeli living rooms constellation, where one speaker finds itself next to open space and the other next to a wall/window), and in addition, the living room dresser won't be placed among the speakers.

A few days after Yair's visit, a dear friend volunteered to help with the project of disassembling and assembling the living space and the system, moving it to its new location so that it would be placed at 90 degrees from its previous location.

After tedious work (due to the weight and quantity of the components) the system was assembled so that the speakers stand parallel to the side walls and are about 70 cm away from the parallel wall next to them.

Behind the speakers is a wall and the glass showcase of the living room, covered with a thick curtain with many folds.

The audio cabinet is now placed between the speakers

In the current configuration, the distance between the tweeter to tweeter is about 2.70 cm and the distance from the listener is about 3.1 meters from the front of the speakers.
The sofa was moved, so that its place was set in front of the speakers, behind it a large space with the nearest wall being far away in the kitchen at a distance of about five meters from the listening point.

Without mincing words, the improvement I received from the new positioning is tremendous in every dimension you can think of (including the visibility of the living space which feels and looks bigger than before - even though the square footage has not changed of course). The size and depth of the stage, the neutralization of interference, and the sounds of Mid's are floating in the space with so many layers and depth in the lower notes.


The speaker's drivers work as one unit (coherent) to produce a wall of music (you can feel the stage depth and wide), while being able to increase the volume to an unimaginable intensity, and still get a clean and clear sound and tonality. Micro and macro dynamics capabilities had also increased for the better.


The amplifiers feel as if they have received huge reserves of power and as much as it may not sound logical, me and the friends who visited all claim to reduce the gap between the capabilities of the digital and those of the vinyl.

What hasn't changed is the whizzing of the system, it remains neutral on the verge of slight warmth.


A day after the change, Mr. Tamm honored me with another visit out of curiosity to listen to the change in sound that took place due to the new location (the smile and superlatives left no doubt about his opinion of the result).


For me, this is the biggest upgrade I've received in sound (and I think also in the appearance of the space, which looks bigger and more open than ever), and this at a cost of 0 (if you don't count a busy back).

In short, I recommend to those who can play with the direction of your system, who knows, you might make a big profit.



Here are some pictures before (first pic) and after the placement change
Great Success! I have been witnessing a big surprise with proper set up in my Thai audio group chat (no less than 30 Magico base systems.) too. There is one room with probably the same speakers as yours that imo kill the much more expensive models of the same brand but in different rooms. Here is a very modest system using just integrated Soulution amp and dac that also come with the amp. Giant killer room a result of proper setup and gear matching.

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Congratulations exupgh12! That is a wonderful outcome! It is great when a major sonic improvement costs nothing except some time and effort!
 

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(...) For me, this is the biggest upgrade I've received in sound (and I think also in the appearance of the space, which looks bigger and more open than ever), and this at a cost of 0 (if you don't count a busy back). (...)

If your friend is still in good friendship, it should not be a real problem!

I congratulate you on taking the gear out of the space between the speakers. Perhaps it is psychological, but I always find that a system sounds better when I do not see equipmemnt between the speakers. Unfortunately it needs longer cables, but for my system it is mandatory. :)
 
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If your friend is still in good friendship, it should not be a real problem!

I congratulate you on taking the gear out of the space between the speakers. Perhaps it is psychological, but I always find that a system sounds better when I do not see equipmemnt between the speakers. Unfortunately it needs longer cables, but for my system it is mandatory. :)

Unless I am misreading it, the new configuration has the rack between the speakers and he prefers the sound.
 

exupgh12

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Great Success! I have been witnessing a big surprise with proper set up in my Thai audio group chat (no less than 30 Magico base systems.) too. There is one room with probably the same speakers as yours that imo kill the much more expensive models of the same brand but in different rooms. Here is a very modest system using just integrated Soulution amp and dac that also come with the amp. Giant killer room a result of proper setup and gear matching.

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A good setup layout and a supportive acoustics environment are worth more than most or all upgrades.

Beautiful room in the picture, love the esthetics.
 

exupgh12

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Congratulations exupgh12! That is a wonderful outcome! It is great when a major sonic improvement costs nothing except some time and effort!
Thank you Ron.
So many times we are after the next thing while neglecting the trivial - positioning and acoustics.
I was lucky enough to receive advice from someone who literally knows my speaker's true capabilities to perform in the right condition.
 

exupgh12

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If your friend is still in good friendship, it should not be a real problem!

I congratulate you on taking the gear out of the space between the speakers. Perhaps it is psychological, but I always find that a system sounds better when I do not see equipmemnt between the speakers. Unfortunately it needs longer cables, but for my system it is mandatory. :)
Actually, during the test, we made the rack on the side, and yes it sounded better but the distance between speakers was only 2M due to the speaker cable's length.
Unfortunately, i do not poses long enough speaker cables for such a configuration, something to aspire for in the future.
 
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exupgh12

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Unless I am misreading it, the new configuration has the rack between the speakers and he prefers the sound.
the TV rack\dresser was between the speaker at the old configuration (the system rack was on the side).
In the new configuration, the system rack is in the middle while the TV rack\dresser had been left on the right parallel wall.
 
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exupgh12

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Congratulations on the upgrade! We are happy to see that people are talking more about acoustic properties and treatment :)
I think that's because:

a. discussing equipment is more "sexy".
b most of us don't have a dedicated listening room - compromising on living room space and design\look\decoration with other family members is a reality for most, that reality is not always an audiophile dream
 

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I think that's because:

a. discussing equipment is more "sexy".
b most of us don't have a dedicated listening room - compromising on living room space and design\look\decoration with other family members is a reality for most, that reality is not always an audiophile dream
I don't have a dedicated room either. There are some tricks that we can do though. Damping the TV reflection, bookshelves in key areas, carpets, buying your wife jewellery...
 
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