New Tweak - Good Bang for the Buck

One of the earliest companies to offer products that appear similarly designed for this purpose is Stein Music. I respect Holger as a top electronics and speaker designer, so I would tend to dive into and evaluate his devices before others—nothing against the others, of course. Still, where science meets results, it's easier for me to lend my view on a product. Here is the webpage for those interested.

https://steinmusic.com/roomacoustic/h2/
 
Agree BUT what/which is recommended best (WBF) Schnerzinger or Holostage products? Forget price please.
I am interested but want to do first and only with the best and this forum is the place, however why hasn't anyone compared the two as they both seem to be alike and recieve raves. THX
Interesting you should bring up that comparison. I don't own any Schlesinger products though I'm intrigued. However, I recently added a pair of pre-owned SteinMusic H2's & Blue Suns and find they work very well with Holostages & other acoustical treatment by LessLoss & Synergistic Research. Not only do the Holostages compliment those products, they add to the overall effect those products are having on your room. Make no mistake though, Holostages contribute significantly to the listening environment all by themselves!
 
Agree BUT what/which is recommended best (WBF) Schnerzinger or Holostage products? Forget price please.
I am interested but want to do first and only with the best and this forum is the place, however why hasn't anyone compared the two as they both seem to be alike and recieve raves. THX
KIS: There’s a surprisingly simple and rational way to deal with situations like this, and it reaps benefits with everything not just seemingly goofy tweaks. The vast majority will never try, it takes more mental effort than they are willing to put into it. But in the process you learn to understand high end audio better than most.

Here let me walk you through it using your two examples. Since both come highly recommended by those who have actually heard them, but not in direct comparison, we start by assuming both really are as good as claimed. What we want to know is which is the greater value? Or maybe for those with money to burn, which is better regardless of price?

I’m also going to assume every technical claim is pure BS ad copy word salad, and so disregard all claims made by the manufacturers. (Highly advisable for EVERYTHING, btw!)

So now: Schnerzinger, made by a big corporation with engineers, web developers, marketing teams. Fantastic industrial design, oozes quality ($) and professionalism. Probably really well funded, but by what exactly it’s hard to say. Sold through dealers.

Holostages, made by hand by one woman so obsessed with this one thing she has time for little else, because she can’t stop experimenting and improving. Minimal website, even less advertising, virtually zero overhead. Sold direct.

The first one, the selling price has to cover all those engineers, marketers, developers, and dealers. The product is made in massive production runs, so the price must also cover inventory expenses. With of course profit left over for the president, CEO, CFO, board, accounting staff, regulatory compliance, on and on.

Holostages, Krissy has to make enough to cover rent and her next order of boxes and goop to put in them.

You do the math. I haven’t directly compared. But this is far from the only product out there that is just like this, in terms of how it’s made and sold. Every single one like this where I have compared the little guy absolutely creams the big corporations. I wouldn’t want to be the guy who got sucked into IsoAcoustics and then later heard Townshend. There’s a reason people wait so long for Decware. Etc. Etc.
 
KIS: There’s a surprisingly simple and rational way to deal with situations like this, and it reaps benefits with everything not just seemingly goofy tweaks. The vast majority will never try, it takes more mental effort than they are willing to put into it. But in the process you learn to understand high end audio better than most.

Here let me walk you through it using your two examples. Since both come highly recommended by those who have actually heard them, but not in direct comparison, we start by assuming both really are as good as claimed. What we want to know is which is the greater value? Or maybe for those with money to burn, which is better regardless of price?

I’m also going to assume every technical claim is pure BS ad copy word salad, and so disregard all claims made by the manufacturers. (Highly advisable for EVERYTHING, btw!)

So now: Schnerzinger, made by a big corporation with engineers, web developers, marketing teams. Fantastic industrial design, oozes quality ($) and professionalism. Probably really well funded, but by what exactly it’s hard to say. Sold through dealers.

Holostages, made by hand by one woman so obsessed with this one thing she has time for little else, because she can’t stop experimenting and improving. Minimal website, even less advertising, virtually zero overhead. Sold direct.

The first one, the selling price has to cover all those engineers, marketers, developers, and dealers. The product is made in massive production runs, so the price must also cover inventory expenses. With of course profit left over for the president, CEO, CFO, board, accounting staff, regulatory compliance, on and on.

Holostages, Krissy has to make enough to cover rent and her next order of boxes and goop to put in them.

You do the math. I haven’t directly compared. But this is far from the only product out there that is just like this, in terms of how it’s made and sold. Every single one like this where I have compared the little guy absolutely creams the big corporations. I wouldn’t want to be the guy who got sucked into IsoAcoustics and then later heard Townshend. There’s a reason people wait so long for Decware. Etc. Etc.
Well said! It's a funny business. Personnally, I like to support Krissy's small business knowing it helps fuel her belief in Holostages. They are for real! Promising new products like a Ground Box & Breaker Panel Box have been tested & written about by several members of this forum. BTW, I was one of those IsoAcoustic believers until I discovered Townshend Seismic Podiums!
 
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Well said! It's a funny business. Personnally, I like to support Krissy's small business knowing it helps fuel her belief in Holostages. They are for real! Promising new products like a Ground Box & Breaker Panel Box have been tested & written about by several members of this forum. BTW, I was one of those IsoAcoustic believers until I discovered Townshend Seismic Podiums!
Yeah, the thing of it is, everything matters. It’s not like Gaia and spikes and stacks of stuff don’t do anything. Of course they do! When I first started trying stuff like this nearly 40 years ago the first thing I tried was a phone book. The improvement was next to nothing - but next to nothing when you are expecting exactly nothing is in reality significant!

Over time I tried so many things that at this point I can pretty much just look at something and tell you what principles it’s based on, why it will or will not work, usually even correctly describing how it will sound relative to other things.

In this case however what exactly those principles are is pretty much up for grabs. What I do know is a whole bunch of others are working along the exact same lines. Caelin (Shunyata) is probably the best, certainly in terms of having working theory. But then you get into the whole overhead thing again. And he’s focused on hard connections- cables, essentially. Fields are everywhere, and that’s more Krissy’s realm.
 
Although not a hi-fi audio manufacturer, the ADD Powr approach to electronics systems is worthy of serious consideration.
The Symphony Standard or Pro harmonic signal boosters are amazing tweaks that afford "good bang for the buck"!
 
I have a monster older EAD PowerMaster 2000 (heavily modified because UPS killed it - so sent back to Noble Electronics for major rebuild) and since I have incorporated some of Krissy's tweaks - I believe I have very clean power.
But now I am finding my toroidal transformer buzzing like crazy at times.
Hi-
What modifications did Noble do on your PM2000? According to their website they currently do a "low noise transformer" (interesting, because when the amp was introduced it claimed to have a low noise transformer) and WBT binding posts (which with prices these days would probably be a $1000 mod across all 5 channels).
I have a PM1000, which I purchased new and have yet to feel the need to upgrade (not to mention that to find anything noticeably better would require a significant investment). I kind of regret not getting the PM2000 but 25 years ago, I felt I really didn't need the extra power. I kind of feel however, in the fullness of time, the PM2000 would have been nice to have. The PM1000 has performed flawlessly for 25 years of nearly daily, all-day, use. I am wondering if any of the potential mods for the PM1000/PM2000 are worthwhile, good value, or just marginal in benefit. I would love to have your thoughts on this.
Thanks!
 
Hi there,

Good question. Not entirely sure - but do know that they did some quite extensive upgrades, replaced the two big blue capacitors (size of soup cans!). And also wired in the Power DNA/LPF to said capacitors. They did the WBT Binding Posts, and a bunch of upgrades included in rebuild of two boards that were crushed and destroyed by UPS. I also believe he wired in an upgraded 20 amp connector - no longer has a fuse.

Definitely worth it for me. I imagine you are in the US - so you don't need to deal with customs and shipping across borders?!

Finally, just noticed that the hum/buzz I had mentioned earlier in the post - is gone. Quiet as a church mouse!!

Final note: Had a musician come in and pick up something and he heard my system. He could swear I had a tube amplifier. I think that says it all. Would never sell it and super glad that I sent to Noble for some "fix ins" and upgrades.
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Hi there,

Good question. Not entirely sure - but do know that they did some quite extensive upgrades, replaced the two big blue capacitors (size of soup cans!). And also wired in the Power DNA/LPF to said capacitors. They did the WBT Binding Posts, and a bunch of upgrades included in rebuild of two boards that were crushed and destroyed by UPS. I also believe he wired in an upgraded 20 amp connector - no longer has a fuse.

Definitely worth it for me. I imagine you are in the US - so you don't need to deal with customs and shipping across borders?!

Finally, just noticed that the hum/buzz I had mentioned earlier in the post - is gone. Quiet as a church mouse!!

Final note: Had a musician come in and pick up something and he heard my system. He could swear I had a tube amplifier. I think that says it all. Would never sell it and super glad that I sent to Noble for some "fix ins" and upgrades.
Thanks
Thanks.
I agree, I would never sell it! As it is nearly 25 years old, I am wondering about replacing the big caps as they don't last forever. Do you have any idea if the cap were seen as an upgrade (quality or increased capacitance) or just a straight replacement? i was wondering about Noble's DNA/LPF mod, whether it is worthwhile making a noticeable difference or not. I can definitely see that there is scope to put in better binding posts. However, 10 WBT binding posts will cost $600-900, before installation. Cardas isn't any better. I might look at one of those upstart Chinese audio companies, Viborg, Monosaudio, Audiocrast, who are producing quality alternative product. Their top binding posts have great reviews, look great and are 25-50% less. These might score better on the cost-effectiveness scale. I can install. Not a product I have time for now, but I'll keep it all in the back of my mind for when I do.
 

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