My monitor/subwoofer system

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If you ever get a chance to try a Magico in your room, it may change your thinking... wasn't really suggesting you get big Wilsons, just showing that perceptions abound on this stuff and many have tore down these walls... Another case, Myles's system in his very small room. A multi-way will do orchestra like no monitor ever will, and it's really a matter of physics
 

Al M.

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If you ever get a chance to try a Magico in your room, it may change your thinking... wasn't really suggesting you get big Wilsons, just showing that perceptions abound on this stuff and many have tore down these walls... Another case, Myles's system in his very small room. A multi-way will do orchestra like no monitor ever will, and it's really a matter of physics
I have heard Magico multi-way floor standers in different settings and room sizes, and based my estimates on that.
 
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Al M.

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Updates

1. Speaker toe out, as described in my thread on the speakers:

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/thre...a-reflector-monitors.26056/page-3#post-596536

2. DeOxit contact cleaning

Lately, also with input from feedback by others, I have become more sensitive to irritating highs. A while ago I thought that my system was again acting up a bit in that respect, and I realized that I had not performed contact cleaning in more than 9 months, which usually helps. So I set out to first treat my interconnects and corresponding outlets/inlets, with DeOxit Gold G5 only, as I always had done. Even though G5 is not advertised as a cleaner, but more as a preserver and contact enhancer, a lot of filthy grey stuff came off those connections. I only sprayed onto male connectors (wiping them off after a few minutes), and treated female ones with QTips (mostly for the outside) and by going in and out a few times with the wetted male connectors.

Even with just this interconnect treatment (took about an hour), the sound was drastically cleaned up in the highs, and harshness reduced. Subsequently, I did the speaker cable/amp connections, and finally a few days later, with DeOxit D5 first and G5 second (combo to be used in the future) the connections speaker cable/speaker. Further reduction of HF problems, and irritations gone. What I also noticed is that DeOxit treatment takes care of piccolo flutes and high clarinet notes gone wild. They sound much more "orderly" now, more like you would expect them to sound in the concert hall (even though the piccolo as an instrument has an inherent 'wild streak' anyway).

In the future I plan to follow the common recommendation to clean connections at least every 6 months. The treatment is really useful to get rid of those HF gremlins. The higher resolving the system, the more you will notice the difference.
 
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Al, this is a timely reminder for me to do the same. What's the timing sequence for D5 > G5? Are you cleaning everything with a male and female connection? Incl plug pins?
Anything should be avoided/not cleaned?
 

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Al, this is a timely reminder for me to do the same. What's the timing sequence for D5 > G5? Are you cleaning everything with a male and female connection? Incl plug pins?
Anything should be avoided/not cleaned?
Marc, the timing sequence is D5, let dry for at least 2 min according to manufacturer's recommendation; I do at least 5 min (and as I said, I wipe off male connections after that time). Then G5, drying for at least 15 min., I want everything to be absolutely dry before tightening connections. Usually I start cleaning in the evening and wait until the next day to put connections together again. This also allows my DAC to somewhat warm up overnight after I have turned it off for cleaning, before I listen to music again.

I clean everything, including plug pins. I don't see what should be avoided. For future cleaning I have also bought pipe cleaners, so that I can get into the female plug; currently I only get in with the DeOxit-wetted male plug. For this you have to be judicious: I plan to spray on the pipe cleaner, and then put my finger at the spot I want the pipe cleaner to go in furthest into the plug, just a short distance, and use the finger as a stopper (wash hands afterwards). The last thing you want is damaging any electronics inside by reaching in too far. Also no spraying on female connectors of equipment, since you may end up with spray on those electronics inside (and mess outside).

Some people also use DeOxit liquid instead of spray.
 
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As for the subwoofer setting, I really start to like the steep 24 dB/octave roll-off that you prefer. It sounds more accurate on a lot of material than the shallower 12 dB/octave roll-off. I now prefer it on the drum tracks that we listened to, and also on rock as well as jazz, and on piano. It just took some getting used to, since my REL had a clearly shallower roll-off. On orchestral music and cello the 12 dB/octave roll-off adds some extra body, but for my own listening I usually prefer on that music the 24 dB/octave setting as well.
I finally installed a JL Audio F212v2 and CR-1. I called JL Audio T/S at 954-443-1100, press 4 then 3. They were super helpful getting the sub integrated with my main speakers by setting the phase alignment correctly at the crossover point.
 

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Hello Al,

I am glad the DeOxit helped with irritating highs.

Do you have any theory at all to explain why cleaning the connectors reduces irritating high frequency sounds?
 
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I finally installed a JL Audio F212v2 and CR-1. I called JL Audio T/S at 954-443-1100, press 4 then 3. They were super helpful getting the sub integrated with my main speakers by setting the phase alignment correctly at the crossover point.
Thanks for the tip, and congratulations! I played around with phase quite a bit, but eventually settled on phase "0 degrees" for both of my subs.
 
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Hello Al,

I am glad the DeOxit helped with irritating highs.

Do you have any theory at all to explain why cleaning the connectors reduces irritating high frequency sounds?
Ron, unfortunately I don't.

I did though find a mention of high-frequency taming in a write-up from Tom Mallin at WBF, a post that originally inspired me to investigate DeOxit:

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/contact-cleaning-the-right-stuff.1652/

Quote:

Caig Deoxit GXL/GX5 Gold spray--this is what I recommend. It was formerly known as ProGold and you will still find many references to it online by this name. I will use ProGold to refer to it below. I have used this in all my audio and video systems for over 15 years.

I only recommend this particular version of this product, which is quite diluted in strength (5% by volume) in this aerosol version. I have tried, but did not like the sonics or the gummy residue of the 100% product sold in vials for brush-on application. There is also a non-high-heat-resistance version of product which is sonically fine, but not AS fine as this version.

Caig's ProGold is a mild cleaner, but is primarily a contact enhancer. With ProGold, just spray, let the excess liquid drain off and evaporate a few seconds, then mate the connections, keeping your fingers off the connecting surfaces. ProGold is safe even for tube socket temperatures and is stated to be safe for use even inside electrical boxes and outlets, and I use it for such connections.

The decreased noise level, the expansion and rock-solid stability of the soundstage, and the taming of high frequency splash and frizzies cannot be had with any other cleaning/treating product, in my experience. As I believe HP once said, you don't know what a good connection sounds like until you use ProGold. Once you hear it, there is no going back.
 

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