Lampizator DAC measurements.

[Blizzard]

I am trying to find measurement data on Lampizator DAC's, but can't seem to find any. Does anyone know where to look? Or has any 3rd party ever tested them? I do understand people don't buy Lampi's or any tube gear for that matter for the measurements. They buy them for the "euphoric distortions" that make music nice to listen to. But still it would be nice to know exactly how they measure up against other solid state DAC's.

It's also very nice to know what the noise floor is just in case anyone wants to use them with a digital volume control, rather than putting additional sound degrading analog circuitry in the signal path.

 

[Blue58]

I am trying to find measurement data on Lampizator DAC's, but can't seem to find any. Does anyone know where to look? Or has any 3rd party ever tested them? I do understand people don't buy Lampi's or any tube gear for that matter for the measurements. They buy them for the "euphoric distortions" that make music nice to listen to. But still it would be nice to know exactly how they measure up against other solid state DAC's.

It's also very nice to know what the noise floor is just in case anyone wants to use them with a digital volume control, rather than putting additional sound degrading analog circuitry in the signal path.

I believe Marslo measured it in another thread

"Mine is 505x415x105 mm DxWxH without feet , front plate 438 x120 mm WxH , it is ca 6 mm thick.
With the toggle on the rear plate B7 is ca 530 mm deep"

In the machine.

 

[Blizzard]

I was kinda looking for measurement spec's like what you'll find with most SS DAC's. for example:

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[Blue58]

I was kinda looking for measurement spec's like what you'll find with most SS DAC's. for example:

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It was an attempt at humour.

 

[Blizzard]

It was an attempt at humour.??

Ha ha, well might be the only specs available

 

[spiritofmusic]

I am trying to find measurement data on Lampizator DAC's, but can't seem to find any. Does anyone know where to look? Or has any 3rd party ever tested them? I do understand people don't buy Lampi's or any tube gear for that matter for the measurements. They buy them for the "euphoric distortions" that make music nice to listen to. But still it would be nice to know exactly how they measure up against other solid state DAC's.

It's also very nice to know what the noise floor is just in case anyone wants to use them with a digital volume control, rather than putting additional sound degrading analog circuitry in the signal path.

Blizzard, did you make a Freudian Slip saying EUPHORIC distortions?
............................I think you meant to say EUPHONIC distortions.
It's a shame so much SS gear can't produce a euphoric sound, not even for a microsecond. We tube guys will take euphonic sounding gear leading to euphoric sounds and reactions every day of the week

 

[marslo]

Blizzard, did you make a Freudian Slip saying EUPHORIC distortions?
............................I think you meant to say EUPHONIC distortions.
It's a shame so much SS gear can't produce a euphoric sound, not even for a microsecond. We tube guys will take euphonic sounding gear leading to euphoric sounds and reactions every day of the week

+1
I believe there is a kind of "near to logic" explanations : electrons in vacuum ( tubes ) are much faster than in sand ( silicon ) aren't they ?

 

[Blizzard]

Blizzard, did you make a Freudian Slip saying EUPHORIC distortions?
............................I think you meant to say EUPHONIC distortions.
It's a shame so much SS gear can't produce a euphoric sound, not even for a microsecond. We tube guys will take euphonic sounding gear leading to euphoric sounds and reactions every day of the week

With extremely transparent SS gear, the "Euphonic" or "Euphoric" sound tube aficionados love can be emulated with 64 bit floating point DSP. You can even change to different tubes with a push of a button. But best of all, you still get to enjoy the dynamics of SS gear. Not to mention reliability, and efficiency.

 

[spiritofmusic]

With extremely transparent SS gear, the "Euphonic" or "Euphoric" sound tube aficionados love can be emulated with 64 bit floating point DSP. You can even change to different tunes with a push of a button. But best of all, you still get to enjoy the dynamics of SS gear. Not to mention reliability, and efficiency.

Blizzard, unlike a lot of the pro SS guys on this forum, I've really enjoyed our discourse, esp on my tape thread.
But we're going to have to have a fight if you're putting that proposition fwd. Let's meet around the back, we'll take our jackets and ties off, and roll up our shirt sleeves...
What exactly is the setting that "emulates" the so called euhphonic/euphoric character of tubes?
Is it by any means the one that's labelled "option to sound like wax in ears"?
Or the one marked "option for romantics/non realists"?
Seriously Blizzard, if you really think there is an option for digital to be manipulated to impersonate tubes, you're a little misled, no disrespect.

 

[Blizzard]

Blizzard, unlike a lot of the pro SS guys on this forum, I've really enjoyed our discourse, esp on my tape thread.
But we're going to have to have a fight if you're putting that proposition fwd. Let's meet around the back, we'll take our jackets and ties off, and roll up our shirt sleeves...
What exactly is the setting that "emulates" the so called euhphonic/euphoric character of tubes?
Is it by any means the one that's labelled "option to sound like wax in ears"?
Or the one marked "option for romantics/non realists"?
Seriously Blizzard, if you really think there is an option for digital to be manipulated to impersonate tubes, you're a little misled, no disrespect.

You need to have the DSP engine and algorithms to do it. But yes it can be done. This is great news, nothing to fight about.

 

[bonzo75]

Blizzard, unlike a lot of the pro SS guys on this forum, I've really enjoyed our discourse, esp on my tape thread.
But we're going to have to have a fight if you're putting that proposition fwd. Let's meet around the back, we'll take our jackets and ties off, and roll up our shirt sleeves...
What exactly is the setting that "emulates" the so called euhphonic/euphoric character of tubes?
Is it by any means the one that's labelled "option to sound like wax in ears"?
Or the one marked "option for romantics/non realists"?
Seriously Blizzard, if you really think there is an option for digital to be manipulated to impersonate tubes, you're a little misled, no disrespect.

Hi SOM, you are missing the point that euphonics aside, Lampi provides better details, slam, and speed, than the SOTA SS and CD players I have compared with. Especially true when you put in 50 instruments of classical music. Pity that Blizz never listens to any gear. DSP can't improve that. That aside, DSP can be used on Lampi. I have used it in a system with the Trinnov, Bill will use it with Acourate, and so will I at a later date, and a guy uses a lower model with DSP on his legacy speakers. I am sure there might be more.

 

[spiritofmusic]

You need to have the DSP engine and algorithms to do it. But yes it can be done. This is great news, nothing to fight about.

This is audio, and there's always something to fight about.
Isis will be defeated and the Middle East Crisis will be solved, but we'll still be batting these brickbats back and forth .
I really think you're mistaken. The tube sound is not a presentation, it's an inherent holistic character, and works on the human brain in a deep and fundamental way. No algorithm is going to press all my pleasure centres to release endorphins en masse.

Just get a Golden Gate, or even a Big 7, put it in your system, and just sit back w/a glass of wine, or whatever your poison is, and luxuriate.

 

[Blizzard]

This is audio, and there's always something to fight about.
Isis will be defeated and the Middle East Crisis will be solved, but we'll still be batting these brickbats back and forth .
I really think you're mistaken. The tube sound is not a presentation, it's an inherent holistic character, and works on the human brain in a deep and fundamental way. No algorithm is going to press all my pleasure centres to release endorphins en masse.

Just get a Golden Gate, or even a Big 7, put it in your system, and just sit back w/a glass of wine, or whatever your poison is, and luxuriate.

I can understand your skepticism. But even you in a blind test won't be able to tell apart your favourite tube gear from SS using this technology. But the key is, an extremely transparent SS DAC is required.

The experiment Bruce B is trying by recording a track with the Merging Horus in DSD 256 from the GG outputs, and then comparing the file played back through the Horus DAC, and compare with the original track on the GG is an excellent test to see if the DAC is transparent enough for the task. But at the same time, this is also testing the transparency of the ADC in the Horus.

 

[Blizzard]

Hi SOM, you are missing the point that euphonics aside, Lampi provides better details, slam, and speed, than the SOTA SS and CD players I have compared with. Especially true when you put in 50 instruments of classical music. Pity that Blizz never listens to any gear. DSP can't improve that. That aside, DSP can be used on Lampi. I have used it in a system with the Trinnov, Bill will use it with Acourate, and so will I at a later date, and a guy uses a lower model with DSP on his legacy speakers. I am sure there might be more.

Have you compared the GG with a similar DAC but only using extremely transparent discrete transistor output stage instead of tubes? A huge reason for the details, slam and speed of the GG, is from the way everything else was built. Not the tubes.

 

[bonzo75]

Have you compared the GG with a similar DAC but only using extremely transparent discrete transistor output stage instead of tubes? A huge reason for the details, slam and speed of the GG, is from the way everything else was built. Not the tubes.

I have an OCD about comparing gear. So yes. I have compared it to a number of SS dacs, various price ranges. Same with tube amps, SS amps, preamps, horn speakers, cone speakers, panel speakers, cables. I have still some amps to go but doing that round now. In fact, how many DHT dacs are there to compare with?

 

[spiritofmusic]

Have you compared the GG with a similar DAC but only using extremely transparent discrete transistor output stage instead of tubes? A huge reason for the details, slam and speed of the GG, is from the way everything else was built. Not the tubes.

There are at least three guys on these forums who run Trinity and GG. Surely your idea could be mooted to them?

 

[Blizzard]

I have an OCD about comparing gear. So yes. I have compared it to a number of SS dacs, various price ranges. Same with tube amps, SS amps, preamps, horn speakers, cone speakers, panel speakers, cables. I have still some amps to go but doing that round now. In fact, how many DHT dacs are there to compare with?

If a well designed discrete class A SS output stage was used in the GG instead, it could be built to preform better. Then if desired, the tube colorations could be applied via DSP.

 

[bonzo75]

There are at least three guys on these forums who run Trinity and GG. Surely your idea could be mooted to them.

Plus another who owns it with the MSB stack, on audioshark some who owned it with Berkeley Reference, and most have shifted from SS. There are hardly any tube dacs/tube CDPs to shift from anyway

 

[bonzo75]

I believe the all time worst measuring dac record is currently held by a valve dac, not sure if it is directly heated.
Keith.

So, one can buy a 1k DIY horn instead of your Cessaro Liszt, since a horn is a horn? Also, the worst sounding to me is the one you own

 

[bonzo75]

If a well designed discrete class A SS output stage was used in the GG instead, it could be built to preform better. Then if desired, the tube colorations could be applied via DSP.

Mods, people are allowed to tarnish products based on speculation?