Yikes...exactly why I am looking for 4-6 cones (dual-opposing to reduce vibration/distortion)...its just simply more practical while producing (when well designed) good air displacement with low distortion. I have heard big horn bass before at levels where you could still speak at regular volumes...they were testing the system while the club was closed to the public...it was truly spectacular and effortlessly articulate...but 1 single sub was the size of an SUV...ridiculous except when inside a large urban club.
How Much Bass is Enough
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There is a record store near me with 2 massive horns inside. Very small space. Maybe 15 x 35. Its a very nice sound. Like you say, effortless. The owner bought them when a club or theatre or something as such closed. He moved them to his store. Uses a Mcintosh SS amp to drive them. Sounds great.
Quad had a good.thread on his room. Its sort of morphed into a bass absorber phase. It made me think about this thread.
Was this the one I said I.did not hear bass modes in my room. Well, I was wrong. I very much do. Now want to solve for them.
Modes really bring into play the idea of how much is enough. As I added and subtracted bass, the modes changed a lot. And the quality of bass changed a lot. As the modes came on, the detail and realism fell off rapidly.
Oddly, I have a guest coming and they stay in that room. I moved a futon matress that was standing upright against the back wall onto a frame in the middle of the room. My listening chair is at the the front corner edge. Wow. Moving the matress had a large impact on bass modes. Got rid of a lot of it. The bass is much morr clean and notes are more clear.
I am really going to have to address room modesas I move into that part of the remodel project.
Was this the one I said I.did not hear bass modes in my room. Well, I was wrong. I very much do. Now want to solve for them.
Modes really bring into play the idea of how much is enough. As I added and subtracted bass, the modes changed a lot. And the quality of bass changed a lot. As the modes came on, the detail and realism fell off rapidly.
Oddly, I have a guest coming and they stay in that room. I moved a futon matress that was standing upright against the back wall onto a frame in the middle of the room. My listening chair is at the the front corner edge. Wow. Moving the matress had a large impact on bass modes. Got rid of a lot of it. The bass is much morr clean and notes are more clear.
I am really going to have to address room modesas I move into that part of the remodel project.
How much placement flexibility do you have. That would be the best scenario to minimize them as much as possible using placement. You see multiple subs touted as the cure but only over the subs operating range. Unfortunately it's fairly common to have them above sub frequencies in small rooms.
The nulls you are stuck with so if you can minimize the number of peaks and severity of them using placement you are off to a good start. At this point you could try bass traps if you have room or use selective high Q notch filters, DSP, to get them minimized as best you can.
Good luck
Rob
I have 4 corners. I may try a second subHow much placement flexibility do you have. That would be the best scenario to minimize them as much as possible using placement. You see multiple subs touted as the cure but only over the subs operating range. Unfortunately it's fairly common to have them above sub frequencies in small rooms.
The nulls you are stuck with so if you can minimize the number of peaks and severity of them using placement you are off to a good start. At this point you could try bass traps if you have room or use selective high Q notch filters, DSP, to get them minimized as best you can.
Good luck
Rob
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Q: What do these bass players have in common:
Jaco Pastorius, Ron Carter, Ray Brown, Dave Holland, Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen, Miroslav Vitous and Christian McBride
A: They never asked "how much bass is enough"?
Only audiophiles do that!
Jaco Pastorius, Ron Carter, Ray Brown, Dave Holland, Niels-Henning Ørsted Pedersen, Miroslav Vitous and Christian McBride
A: They never asked "how much bass is enough"?
Only audiophiles do that!
Haa, funny. Oddly, I was at a concert a couple weeks ago. Sort of a meek kid playing jazz in a very nice 300 person hall. He was very talented, but very soft and lacked the skill to rise and fall with the feeling of the music. It was always the same heft of hand on the keys. Near the end he had a world renowned bass player on stage with him. The bass player was ripping along, yet the piano player never got his boogie going. That resulted in a very over powering bass in the room. Hard to hear the piano. It was a case of too much bass.
Same venue, different show, but in the atrium, free concert. The bass modes in the room resulted in bloated bass that was ill defined in some spots. Other spots you could hardly hear the bass. In just the right spot it was well balanced.
Diana Krall at an outdoor concert, 14th row. The bass was horribly bloated and loud. It overpowered everything else. I don't sit close at that venue anymore. Its a bad location for good sound. Further back it blends much better,
Curiously Rob Carter and Jaco Pastorius were known to be extremely picky on how their bass was miked and reproduced ... From my excessive early ECM phase I still remember that Dave Holland was extraordinary exigent in terms of bass articulation and balance in his recordings - at that time they were good audiophile evaluation recordings !
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