How do you know when you are done?

[Al M.]

OTOH…99% of digital audio/cables/vibration control and just about everything else in audio is available for online purchase with minimum 30 day hassle free return so imo the value of fora reviews compared to in home demo are close to zero. It’s mostly plug in play, too.
You friggin buy whatever meets your various requirements based on a few different recommendations/mentions. Use your Visa card! Play in your system for a while and if you don’t like, send it back.

That is news to me. I would not know how I could have gotten from a dealer an in-house demo of my Tambaqui DAC, or a purchase of the DAC with return policy.

Fortunately a friend graciously lent me his for two weeks for trying it in my system. After that I bought my own.

 

[tima]

There is no point making this a music forum, there are many with way more content and higher maturity level. Anyone can google music. This is a very different point from using music and recordings to audition/discuss gear

It is hard for me to accept such recordings as anonymous tools. The aesthetic of sound is thin gruel compared to the aesthetic of music. I agree there are more sophisticated forums for discussion though maybe not so many. I agree FWB may be incapable of being a music forum. I think one can have a discussion of both gear and music, one form that takes is a video.

The context of music is not outside the audiophile realm.

 

[tima]

Vinyl-first audiophiles are usually the ones starting such acrimonious threads. Here are two examples, the first one with an intentionally and unnecessarily provocative title that is just silly if you ask me:

Individuals start threads. They are not class action suits.

 

[treitz3]

What a low level statement by a contributor of this forum.

There is no point making this a music forum, there are many with way more content and higher maturity level. Anyone can google music. This is a very different point from using music and recordings to audition/discuss gear

Maturity?

Tom

 

[bonzo75]

What a low level statement by a contributor of this forum.



Maturity?

Tom

What a low level comment from someone who is supposed to be a mod. You could have clarified what I meant before calling it low level. But I don’t expect you to have that character. Just like WBF and audio forums are more mature than them on gear

Those forums are mature on the music discussion front. Obviously as they are music forums. They have been live for years on those topics with participation from like minded folks, musicians, music critics, etc.

 

[treitz3]

If you would like to degrade this forum and call it's members immature or "below a certain level" when it comes to music?

You are more than welcome to post elsewhere, where people are, "mature".

Tom

 

[bonzo75]

If you would like to degrade this forum and call it's members immature or "below a certain level" when it comes to music?

You are more than welcome to post elsewhere, where people are, "mature".

Tom

This is not a music forum, in case you didn’t realise the difference (i actually don’t think you do). If you think this attracts the same level of profile a music forum does in relation to people who are musicians, teachers of music, music critics, etc you are more deluded than I thought. Worse, you can’t go back and admit you made a mistake in going hard on this calling it a low level comment, and now you are degrading this further.

You keep repeating, falsely, the member immature comment without realising the distinction of why this is isn’t as mature as a music forum on music

 

[PYP]

...like Jake and Elwood at Bob's Country Bunker, where they had both kinds of music: country *and* western. View attachment 159119

@MarkusBarkus ,across the various WBF threads, we all get to try both sides of the chicken wire. Of course, some folks, when they are on the outside, toss beer bottles, others toss softer objects and flower children like us place flowers in the wire.

And it does seem that some folks here believe they are on a Mission from the Ultimate Audiophile Deity. I would call all of this "just a hobby" but I hate those damn beer bottles when they break.

-- Elwood

 

[andromedaaudio]

Luckily im immature / low level / not elite.
Otherwise id had to listen to audio note UK and
Devore all day

 

[Al M.]

This is not a music forum, in case you didn’t realise the difference (i actually don’t think you do). If you think this attracts the same level of profile a music forum does in relation to people who are musicians, teachers of music, music critics, etc you are more deluded than I thought. Worse, you can’t go back and admit you made a mistake in going hard on this calling it a low level comment, and now you are degrading this further.

You keep repeating, falsely, the member immature comment without realising the distinction of why this is isn’t as mature as a music forum on music

Yes, this is not a dedicated music forum, it's mainly a high-end audio forum. WBF has a few nice music threads, and I like to participate in some myself, but let's not pretend that the forum is something that it is not.

We discuss cars here too, but this is not a dedicated car forum like some others are. I could go on with other topics in relation to other forums, but I guess (or hope) the point is clear.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Guys can we get back to real important audiophile high end decisive discussion points

Like :
What colour fuses sound best ?
How thick does a Ls speaker cable needs to be to let enough electrons through ?
Do shiny objects improve SQ or is it a myth?

 

[Rensselaer]

No one was addressing systematic complete prediction of sound quality. Please do not change people intentions.



This is nowhere relevant to what was being addressed. Also, sorry I do not loose my time in videos, but I am always happy to read something we can quote and write about.

Gear comparison for me is essentially a process of exclusion - measurements can help a lot if we understand them and know how to correlate them with what we listen.

FYI, I included the video because such teaches me what works best in regards to the design considerations and reason for choosing one part over another for the best sound quality. I use this for selection or modifications of my own equipment. I learn from their experience. The goal is a system that sounds best to me (what’s best forum).

Now I realise that there are many engineers who design by measurement. They will admit that they do not listen to see which parts/topology/etc., sound best, they modify equipment/design according to measurements. IMHO such equipment doesn’t play music that sounds real or natural to me. I suspect that there are members of this forum who are more enamoured by the design and measurements (and price) than by the sound, and if challenged reply that they prefer the more “accurate” sound.

 

[tima]

Do shiny objects improve SQ or is it a myth?

Shiny objects attract crows.

 

[Iamrael]

That is news to me. I would not know how I could have gotten from a dealer an in-house demo of my Tambaqui DAC, or a purchase of the DAC with return policy.

Fortunately a friend graciously lent me his for two weeks for trying it in my system. After that I bought my own.

Did you bother to try first? ask Bill Parish?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Shiny objects attract crows.

Also audiophiles .

 

[bonzo75]

Shiny objects attract crows.

Crows are pretty smart birds, not like pigeons. Crows have more - dare I say - maturity

 

[Al M.]

Did you bother to try first? ask Bill Parish?

Well, as I said, it wasn't necessary anyway.

 

[microstrip]

Shiny objects attract crows.

A myth created by ignorance and perpetuated by cartoons. Crows are not inherently drawn to shiny objects, but their intelligence and curiosity sometimes make them interact with them. It’s more about exploration than attraction.

You should be proud that your Lamm's have the same dark sinister color than such intelligent birds ...

 

[microstrip]

FYI, I included the video because such teaches me what works best in regards to the design considerations and reason for choosing one part over another for the best sound quality. I use this for selection or modifications of my own equipment. I learn from their experience. The goal is a system that sounds best to me (what’s best forum).

Yes, it is natural we want to learn about the aims of designers and the why's of our preferred gear. It will help you to tailor your own preference and implement it. I watched David Wilson videos - but I do not ask other to do it!

Now I realise that there are many engineers who design by measurement. They will admit that they do not listen to see which parts/topology/etc., sound best, they modify equipment/design according to measurements.

A few exceptional designers expressed such view and it beomes "many designers" . The best known in this forum are Peter Walker and Vladimir Lamm, although they justify it with different reasons.

IMHO such equipment doesn’t play music that sounds real or natural to me.

Ok, your preference.

I suspect that there are members of this forum who are more enamoured by the design and measurements (and price) than by the sound, and if challenged reply that they prefer the more “accurate” sound.

I do not find suspicion and malicious gossip as an acceptable way of debating sound reproduction in WBF. But I am always happy to discuss identified facts and systems.

 

[Iamrael]

more often intentionally, foul up digital threads

You think it’s intentional, as in trying to sabotage?
Can you reference an example?