Gryphon EOS 5 Loudspeaker

[TechnicalPie]

I wonder how the Mojo S would sound next to my Gryphon Cantatas.

It certainly is a business. They need to hit price points that will sell, as you said.

Unfortunately, neither the EOS2 nor the EOS5 will work for me. The first wants to be close to the rear wall and the second is too large for my space.

I've listened to both of these models.
To me they sound a lot less interesting than Mojo and Mojo S!
It seems like they were created in a hurry.
All Gryphon speakers have always had their own unique sound signature.
So here is a radically different sound. Unfortunately.
At one time I had the opportunity to listen to all the Gryphon models over the years. But the Mojo, Cantata model was created by Duelund’s team.
And that says a lot!

 

[eagle33331]

I've listened to both of these models.
To me they sound a lot less interesting than Mojo and Mojo S!
It seems like they were created in a hurry.
All Gryphon speakers have always had their own unique sound signature.
So here is a radically different sound. Unfortunately.
At one time I had the opportunity to listen to all the Gryphon models over the years. But the Mojo, Cantata model was created by Duelund’s team.
And that says a lot!

Hi Alex - long time! I traded my Mojo S for Serafino in search of less ‘hot’ sound only to find the issue was in the digital/router train domain. Now trying to get back into them Can you be anymore specific about where you think the EOS 2 falls down against Mojo S? Thanks and hope all well with you?

 

[LarryK]

Well, I’m revisiting this thread.

We are contemplating a move to Dublin. Given the housing situation, we will be lucky to get an 80sq meter apartment.

So, I am downsizing the whole system. I’m going to buy the Gryphon 120 integrated amp with built in DAC and the EOS-2 speakers.

The only components I’m keeping are the Accuphase T-1000 tuner and the Mac Mini for streaming.

Out goes the vinyl and out goes the CDs.

It’s ok, I can’t tie my life to a stereo system.

 

[eagle33331]

I sold my vinyl rig. I only miss the sentimentality. There is no shame in giving function priority over form Enjoy the new system/home.

 

[Lowlands]

I have skipped the vinyl train alltogether and jumped from CD on the digital files / streaming bandwagon somewhere in 2009. I do like the sound of a good vinyl rig however.... I just cannot get over the hassle & complexity of it all... to each their own..

I am planning /about to put my Gryphon Mojo S (black, great condition) up for sale by the way, so if anyone is interested, send me a DM... (pref to ship in EU only).

 

[LarryK]

I sold my vinyl rig. I only miss the sentimentality. There is no shame in giving function priority over form Enjoy the new system/home.

Thanks.

I understand the allure of vinyl. It’s the process of picking a side and committing to it. It involves risk. You could rip off the cantilever by accident.

Vinyl has a presence.

 

[LarryK]

I have skipped the vinyl train alltogether and jumped from CD on the digital files / streaming bandwagon somewhere in 2009. I do like the sound of a good vinyl rig however.... I just cannot get over the hassle & complexity of it all... to each their own..

I am planning /about to put my Gryphon Mojo S (black, great condition) up for sale by the way, so if anyone is interested, send me a DM... (pref to ship in EU only).

I might have been interested if we had moved but that will probably be a year away.

Do the Mojo S speakers like to be up against a back wall?

I struggled long and hard over the idea of getting rid of the system that I have spent over ten years building but it is a necessity.

We won’t be happy in a country house that would fit my rig. So, we need something within walking distance of the city center, and that means smaller.

As it is, I’m holding on to my upright piano. That will present its own problems finding an apartment.

 

[LL21]

I might have been interested if we had moved but that will probably be a year away.

Do the Mojo S speakers like to be up against a back wall?

I struggled long and hard over the idea of getting rid of the system that I have spent over ten years building but it is a necessity.

We won’t be happy in a country house that would fit my rig. So, we need something within walking distance of the city center, and that means smaller.

As it is, I’m holding on to my upright piano. That will present its own problems finding an apartment.

If you would ever consider it...https://uk.yamaha.com/en/musical-instruments/pianos/products/arius/ydp-s55/#d2031231

Incredibly great space saver, respectable keyboard action and sound with pedals. And literally half to a third the volumetric size or less of a traditional upright.

 

[LarryK]

If you would ever consider it...https://uk.yamaha.com/en/musical-instruments/pianos/products/arius/ydp-s55/#d2031231

Incredibly great space saver, respectable keyboard action and sound with pedals. And literally half to a third the volumetric size or less of a traditional upright.
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I appreciate the thought but I scored an amazing deal on Yamaha’s DYUS5 at the start of the pandemic.

Yamaha could not make their delivery of the DYUS1, which I had ordered, and offered to replace it with the top of the line DYUS5 for a nominal fee.

My dealer would not believe it.

The DYUS5 is an acoustic solenoid driven player piano that records and plays back. The “D” stands for Disklavier.

YUS1, YUS3, and YUS5 Upright Pianos - Yamaha USA

Shop the Yamaha YUS1, YUS3, and YUS5 upright pianos - our grandest upright pianos.

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So, we will find a flat with a lift that fits this piano. I have spoken to a Yamaha dealer in Dublin about delivery.

I can’t give this thing up, I just can’t.

I also can’t give up the music desk, which is huge and sturdy.

By the way, you can play the piano silently, if need be.

I am hoping that a few hours of practice during the day will not cause anyone to go into fits but I am more than willing to talk to my neighbors.

I am looking for a modern apartment that has concrete floors, not wood joists. That should limit the vertical travel of the sound.

For the horizontal travel, I will try to put the piano on an interior wall that is not up against a neighbor.

 

[LL21]

I appreciate the thought but I scored an amazing deal on Yamaha’s DYUS5 at the start of the pandemic.

Yamaha could not make their delivery of the DYUS1, which I had ordered, and offered to replace it with the top of the line DYUS5 for a nominal fee.

My dealer would not believe it.

The DYUS5 is an acoustic solenoid driven player piano that records and plays back. The “D” stands for Disklavier.

YUS1, YUS3, and YUS5 Upright Pianos - Yamaha USA

Shop the Yamaha YUS1, YUS3, and YUS5 upright pianos - our grandest upright pianos.

usa.yamaha.com

So, we will find a flat with a lift that fits this piano. I have spoken to a Yamaha dealer in Dublin about delivery.

I can’t give this thing up, I just can’t.

I also can’t give up the music desk, which is huge and sturdy.

By the way, you can play the piano silently, if need be.

I am hoping that a few hours of practice during the day will not cause anyone to go into fits but I am more than willing to talk to my neighbors.

I am looking for a modern apartment that has concrete floors, not wood joists. That should limit the vertical travel of the sound.

For the horizontal travel, I will try to put the piano on an interior wall that is not up against a neighbor.

Beautiful! I can see why your enthralled with it...enjoy!

 

[LarryK]

Beautiful! I can see why your enthralled with it...enjoy!

Thanks.

With German strings and German felts, it’s the best German upright piano the Japanese know how to make.

This won’t go over well on here but I basically had to trade the stereo system for the piano. I went from nine components to three components, not counting the speakers.

 

[Lowlands]

Do the Mojo S speakers like to be up against a back wall?

I used to have them a bit in the room... They are not 'near wall' by design... They are rear-ported, so I would not put them to close to a rear-wall...
Few speakers are near-wall by design... Wilson Audio Duette V2 springs to mind.. (if you seek standmounted)..

 

[LarryK]

I used to have them a bit in the room... They are not 'near wall' by design... They are rear-ported, so I would not put them to close to a rear-wall...
Few speakers are near-wall by design... Wilson Audio Duette V2 springs to mind.. (if you seek standmounted)..

The Gryphon EOS-2s have a port on the front and on the rear. So, they can be set up as near wall speakers by opening the front port and closing the rear port.

I had to make this concession after listening to my wife complain for five years about how the Gryphon Cantatas were standing too far into the room.

 

[LL21]

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Thanks.

With German strings and German felts, it’s the best German upright piano the Japanese know how to make.

This won’t go over well on here but I basically had to trade the stereo system for the piano. I went from nine components to three components, not counting the speakers.

It’s all about your enjoyment and in this case, it’s still musical enjoyment and you’re the one making the music!

 

[LarryK]

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It’s all about your enjoyment and in this case, it’s still musical enjoyment and you’re the one making the music!

Yes. No matter how badly played, I think there is something special about trying to make music by playing a musical instrument.

To me, a piano makes a house a home.

I hope to enroll in a music school in Dublin to continue my piano studies and to give myself a reason to go out the door.

As an aside, is there any compelling reason for me to purchase a Diablo 333 over the Diablo 120 when mainly streaming in a small apartment and driving the EOS-2 speakers?

I don’t think I can lift the 333. That might argue against it, lol.

 

[Laurusri]

Yes. No matter how badly played, I think there is something special about trying to make music by playing a musical instrument.

To me, a piano makes a house a home.

I hope to enroll in a music school in Dublin to continue my piano studies and to give myself a reason to go out the door.

As an aside, is there any compelling reason for me to purchase a Diablo 333 over the Diablo 120 when mainly streaming in a small apartment and driving the EOS-2 speakers?

I don’t think I can lift the 333. That might argue against it, lol.

Hi Larry,
I've never listened to the Diablo 120, but I have a Diablo 300 in combination with an EOS2, as you already know. The 120 uses the same output transistors as the 300, except that the 120 have one pair and the 300 have two pairs.
As for the sound, owners say that the 120 is a little more musical than the 300, but that the difference is very small.
On the other hand, the 333, which I listened to with the EOS2, is a much better combination in every way, and it is my next acquisition. The only thing that would spoil that acquisition is the Essence, which also sounds fantastic with the EOS2.

 

[LarryK]

Hi Larry,
I've never listened to the Diablo 120, but I have a Diablo 300 in combination with an EOS2, as you already know. The 120 uses the same output transistors as the 300, except that the 120 have one pair and the 300 have two pairs.
As for the sound, owners say that the 120 is a little more musical than the 300, but that the difference is very small.
On the other hand, the 333, which I listened to with the EOS2, is a much better combination in every way, and it is my next acquisition. The only thing that would spoil that acquisition is the Essence, which also sounds fantastic with the EOS2.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, they use Sanken output transistors, favorites of mine going way back to my Sumo Gold but I believe James Bongiorno had his transistors custom made by Sumo, or so he said, lol.

I used to say that I didn’t want an amplifier I could lift and now I seem to be saying that I need an amplifier I can lift. Times change.

I think I’ll be happy with the 120 although I will be sad to leave Class A behind, as my Colosseum plays for me.

Are you thinking of the Essence monoblocks or stereo amplifier?

What sources are you running?

I’d love to go for the 333 or the Essence stereo with the EOS-2s but it’s probably a bit too much for me to handle.

 

[LL21]

Yes. No matter how badly played, I think there is something special about trying to make music by playing a musical instrument.

To me, a piano makes a house a home.

I hope to enroll in a music school in Dublin to continue my piano studies and to give myself a reason to go out the door.

As an aside, is there any compelling reason for me to purchase a Diablo 333 over the Diablo 120 when mainly streaming in a small apartment and driving the EOS-2 speakers?

I don’t think I can lift the 333. That might argue against it, lol.

My gut tells me the sound signature of the 2 will likely be very very similar. Where the amps at Gryphon typically 'change' as you gain more power is absolute grip, in the monos absolute separation and clarity...but it is an incremental change on the otherwise very consistent sound signature.
And while many Gryphon owners ultimately prefer what the monos do relative to their stereo counterpart, I have heard from owners that on occasion the stereo 'sweetness' adds a nice touch in comparison to its more delineated, controlled mono counterparts.

So you might well find the signature of the 120 and 333 is clearly of the same DNA, and the 333 giving you primarily separation, control and expansion which ultimately may not be something you find worth having in comparison with the more svelte 120.

 

[Laurusri]

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, they use Sanken output transistors, favorites of mine going way back to my Sumo Gold but I believe James Bongiorno had his transistors custom made by Sumo, or so he said, lol.

I used to say that I didn’t want an amplifier I could lift and now I seem to be saying that I need an amplifier I can lift. Times change.

I think I’ll be happy with the 120 although I will be sad to leave Class A behind, as my Colosseum plays for me.

Are you thinking of the Essence monoblocks or stereo amplifier?

What sources are you running?

I’d love to go for the 333 or the Essence stereo with the EOS-2s but it’s probably a bit too much for me to handle.

Essence stereo, more then enough to run EOS2.

Bryston CDP-1, Technics 1500C and Yamaha FM, but CD's are main source.

I don't understand your concern about handling heavy amplifiers, I assume you won't carry furniture and other heavy things but you will hire people for that. Gryphon's amplifiers are in excellent boxes so that there is no fear of careless handling, so God only knows what they go through when they are in the hands of the courier.

No doubt, 333 or Essence stereo are much better than 120, I wouldn't hesitate for 2 seconds in your case, you have sweet problems.

Regarding output transistors, 333 have same Sanken's transistors as Apex, for Essence I couldn't find any info.

 

[LarryK]

Essence stereo, more then enough to run EOS2.

Bryston CDP-1, Technics 1500C and Yamaha FM, but CD's are main source.

I don't understand your concern about handling heavy amplifiers, I assume you won't carry furniture and other heavy things but you will hire people for that. Gryphon's amplifiers are in excellent boxes so that there is no fear of careless handling, so God only knows what they go through when they are in the hands of the courier.

No doubt, 333 or Essence stereo are much better than 120, I wouldn't hesitate for 2 seconds in your case, you have sweet problems.

Regarding output transistors, 333 have same Sanken's transistors as Apex, for Essence I couldn't find any info.

Well, I struggled with the Colosseum when I had to move it, lol.

I hired a weightlifter who could deadlift 500lbs but it’s not easy to find weightlifters, and he had personal problems. One guy I hired collapsed under its weight.

I’m not going to have any friends in Dublin so that makes it harder to get someone to help me move an amplifier around.

My unenviable problem is fitting into a 70-90 square meter apartment, haha.

I currently have 42 active eBay auctions, 500 to go, lol.