Does anyone understand the need for all of these digital components?

Vinyl based system with over 4000 records. Have a Oppo 105D for digital discs. Not going any further into digital than that.
Something to consider, as it has been a revelation to me with a different part of "digital", and something that may help you buy more records. I think Pandora has the best algorithm and I've used it to create playlists hundreds of tracks long... music and artists I'd never heard of - until the Pandora algorithm helped me find them.

If you'd like to find new music you've never heard before, and that you will like because it's based on what YOU like, it might be worth trying.

Take your favorite track(s) and "Create a Station" based on a particular track. Then, enjoy the ride...
 
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Something to consider, as it has been a revelation to me with a different part of "digital", and something that may help you buy more records. I think Pandora has the best algorithm and I've used it to create playlists hundreds of tracks long... music and artists I'd never heard of - until the Pandora algorithm helped me find them.

If you'd like to find new music you've never heard before, and that you will like because it's based on what YOU like, it might be worth trying.

Take your favorite track(s) and "Create a Station" based on a particular track. Then, enjoy the ride...
Thanks for the suggestion. With over 4000 records, it takes me a number of years to play my collection as it is. I'm not looking for new music. With my choice of the music of the Classical era, the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and so on, I have plenty of superlative music to choose from. I don't listen to music like radio or streaming. Never have. I have my physical music collection, a vast music collection of many, many styles.

That is sufficient. One cannot listen to everything. Again thanks for the suggestion but I particularly like to choose what I listen to rather than have it chosen for me or based on my tastes. I am notoriously difficult to buy presents for. I always say to people "Don't buy me presents. It more than likely will be something I won't want to keep".
 
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Personally, I don't think bringing internet into high end audio was a good idea. This was to incorporate a highly complex system with multiple devices, and each one producing very high amounts of noise, digital garbage etc. There was no way of preserving audio quality in a cheap or simple way, and in the end it means a large system of expensive servers, switches, cables, and possibly filters/isolators, to try and counteract all noise and jitter introduced to the format. It's probably wiser to counteract the problem with high quality hardware as opposed to tweaks, but these add up. I have more components on my digital side than analog!

For some might be the question of "Why should I care?", but if you are already accustomed to CD/SACD playback etc the answer is obvious: streaming and associated network hardware are a big step backwards. People are shoveling money into solutions just to make streamed, or even stored files, have the same playback quality as optical disc, or a simple old school HDD player. And it's a lot of money, and a lot of annoying little parts, any of which can have a problem with compatibility, or receiving an IP address from the router etc etc etc, for what has yet to ever match disc playback.

The most annoying thing about this is the cost and technical headache are for essentially remedial solutions. We aren't getting better sound with streaming, we are paying multiple times the cost to get back to the audio quality we already had.

I think it would be better to just have a really nice server with local files and a remote control, no internet. But here we are, having to use a noisy as hell LAN just to play files off a hard drive.
Thank you all for contributing to this thread. I found it very interesting to read; especially the contribution from Ian B above.

It confirmed my own journey in network audio which started about 15 years ago with the Squeezebox Touch. That device was reviewed very well and delivered bit-perfect audio to my DAC. I thought this was the best it could be in my setup (bit-perfect) and I was ripping all my CDs on a Mac mini with Squeezebox Server.

One day a friend of mine brought his old Marantz DVD/SACD player and to my surprise music sounded much better with the same DAC and cables. How could this be? As a computer engineer I was fascinated and I started to investigate how can digital music sound so different.

Now 15 years later I still prefer to play my CDs. I like to have a music server/streamer but I find the cost of all the network stuff (servers, software switches, cables, power supplies) to get it right is so high. I don't want to spend that money. So for now I use streaming services to discover new music and if I like it, I buy the CD (on Discogs).

Enjoy the music!
 
There is no such thing as “bit perfect” when it comes to audio playback. That’s why streamers like the Taiko Extreme make such a big difference!
 
Thank you all for contributing to this thread. I found it very interesting to read; especially the contribution from Ian B above.

It confirmed my own journey in network audio which started about 15 years ago with the Squeezebox Touch. That device was reviewed very well and delivered bit-perfect audio to my DAC. I thought this was the best it could be in my setup (bit-perfect) and I was ripping all my CDs on a Mac mini with Squeezebox Server.

One day a friend of mine brought his old Marantz DVD/SACD player and to my surprise music sounded much better with the same DAC and cables. How could this be? As a computer engineer I was fascinated and I started to investigate how can digital music sound so different.

Now 15 years later I still prefer to play my CDs. I like to have a music server/streamer but I find the cost of all the network stuff (servers, software switches, cables, power supplies) to get it right is so high. I don't want to spend that money. So for now I use streaming services to discover new music and if I like it, I buy the CD (on Discogs).

Enjoy the music!

Same here. I am still spinning my physical CDs, on digital gear with modern technology (see my signature).

Having witnessed the drama, time sink and/or expense of streaming in other systems I was never inclined to start myself. The closest I came was buying a cheap WiiM streamer just for fun, but it's still in the box...

Yes, streaming is good for discovering new music (I mostly use YouTube), and at the same time Discogs is a great source (if you want a specific, by catalog number well defined mastering, or if Amazon doesn't have the album).
 
There is no such thing as “bit perfect” when it comes to audio playback.

In fact there is "bit perfect" in audio playback. It has a precise, well known meaning.

That’s why streamers like the Taiko Extreme make such a big difference!

Emile of Taiko Audio explained clearly why it make such big difference difference - it was not related to "bit perfect" , but the Taiko is surely "bit perfect" as many others.
 
Same here. I am still spinning my physical CDs, on digital gear with modern technology (see my signature).

Having witnessed the drama, time sink and/or expense of streaming in other systems I was never inclined to start myself. The closest I came was buying a cheap WiiM streamer just for fun, but it's still in the box...

Yes, streaming is good for discovering new music (I mostly use YouTube), and at the same time Discogs is a great source (if you want a specific, by catalog number well defined mastering, or if Amazon doesn't have the album).

How do you organize your CD collection? I could not wait to get rid of mine (ripping them) as I could never find what I was looking for.
 
There is no such thing as “bit perfect” when it comes to audio playback.
Grimm Audio just updated the software for their streamer (MU1) and streamer/DAC (MU2)and mentioned this function:

"The second novelty is a bit test function. By playing a dedicated Grimm Audio test album with different sample rates and bit depths per track you can test whether your digital audio pathway conveys all bits unaltered."

I assumed that "unaltered" = "bit perfect." How do they differ?
 
There is no such thing as “bit perfect” when it comes to audio playback. That’s why streamers like the Taiko Extreme make such a big difference!

You are right, when it comes to audio playback, bit perfect makes no sense as playback is always analog. Bit Perfect can only be checked up to the the digital to analog conversion : is the DAC is receiving bits that precisely match the content of the file (or stream) being played? That's the question.
 
Grimm Audio just updated the software for their streamer (MU1) and streamer/DAC (MU2)and mentioned this function:

"The second novelty is a bit test function. By playing a dedicated Grimm Audio test album with different sample rates and bit depths per track you can test whether your digital audio pathway conveys all bits unaltered."

I assumed that "unaltered" = "bit perfect." How do they differ?

They should have the same meaning - "bit perfect" assumes "unaltered bits".

But unless they manage to persuade streaming companies to play their test album this feature can't be used in streaming. But as far as I could get information from manufacturers on it, streaming is currently a bit perfect process.
 
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How do you organize your CD collection? I could not wait to get rid of mine (ripping them) as I could never find what I was looking for.
Classical alphabetically by composer. Everything else (pop, rock, jazz, blues and etc) alphabetically by the artist (last name for individual artists and first name if a group). So Bob Dylan is the last of the D's and the Allman Brothers are about the middle of the A's. I reasonably have about 3,000 LP's and about 3,000 CD's/SACD's (and the collection continues to grow with all of the great remasters and new music). This organization works fine for me. I can find anything I am looking for. I put things back in place the same day or soon thereafter depending upon how many I have been playing. I am sure that there may be other ways to organize, but this works for me and always has since I began collecting records many decades ago.
 
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