Audiophile Guru Syndrome

[morricab]

The only people alienated are those who don't (or don't want to) have the technical understanding to know that the ability of sets to adequately drive the bass units of most speakers is highly compromised.

Regardless of what you hear - this is an undeniable fact & if that alienates people - that is their problem....

No, it's the problem of people ignoring psychoacoustics for technical 'facts'. The fact is that bass distortion is far less audible than higher up the frequency spectrum and that a lot of bass 'texture' is not bass at all and is fact from the region where SETs excel. The perception of bass quality has to include both the actual bass and the overtones, string slaps, kick drum impacts etc. and not just how pure the frequency below 80hz is.

 

[Rensselaer]

The only people alienated are those who don't (or don't want to) have the technical understanding to know that the ability of sets to adequately drive the bass units of most speakers is highly compromised.

Regardless of what you hear - this is an undeniable fact & if that alienates people - that is their problem....

The musical presentation from a system relies in no way on the listeners’ technical understanding, however their perception might.

Devon Turnbull showed us with his massive Ojas bass speaker that all you need to get all the bass you want from SETs is to obtain the correct speaker for the job.

 

[andromedaaudio]

People should leave the thinking to reviewers lol.


Look i buy / make a home stereo system for entertainment.
There is no more to it lol

 

[morricab]

Hi Everyone

Yes,everyone is entitled to have a opinion and that’s great and nobody knows it all.There are experts in certain fields,also in audio with many years of experience.

I came to this side to learn.

Even if people have different opions,we should respect the other opinion,we don’t have to share them.This is what got lost in the last years.We are humans and should treat others like humans,with respect and dignity .

Education is a problem in many many countries,that makes me really sad.I was looking at how much the government’s spent on education the other day and especially in Germany is just shocking and what surprised me ,that some small poor countries spend so much more.In my company’s,I got people from 55 different countries and if you think they are mostly German,no they are not,because the education in my native country is not what it should be,especially in the ladt 30 years.

I just asking, please don’t attack everybody personally if you don’t agree.Attack the problem,not the person.

We should be here to share our love for our hobby,not hate and disrespect and anger towards others.

These are not my words,but somebody’s else’s words .Human without humanity are not humans but only Homo sapiens.Human should mean wise man apparently.

Lets forget our differences,but let join in humanity and show we are real humans.

Cheers

Who attacked you personally? I only see challenges to your ideas...unless you perceive that as a personal attack?

 

[Music and Wine]

Hi Morricab

Thanks for your opinion.

Great to have you here,somebody with insight into complex things

I listen to the fuses for a long time and also some friends of mine,sometimes they sounded good but in general not better than other fuses,sometimes different.The point is that fuses are like many things,they can work for some in certain equipment ,but are not universal,the same as speaker cables or interconnects.or whatever.

I think you misunderstanding me.Everyone hears differently and if these fuses work for somebody it is fine,the problem I have got is with false claims,nothing more .I guess somebody with your experience and background will feel the same,less false claims,more honesty and integrity and respect.

The storie about high efficiency speakers and single ended speaker,I uses them and love them.If your speaker are efficient with a even and not too low impedance they can work and sound great.I see you are the importer for Aries Cerat,wonderful equipment, I was looking into buying the Exsequor amps,maybe next year.I got plenty of 813 RCA tubes,I bought 35 years ago.I am awaiting a nice life insurance ( my insurance,is now eventually paying after my diagnosis with Parkinson MSA)and I want to slit it up between my family and the duty of helping ,people in need .

I never said fuses don’t work,I use and have used aftermarket fuses from a US and German company,sometimes they work and sometimes they make things go in the wrong direction,sound gets too warm or hard.

Just want to state it again.I am not saying fuses can’t have a positive influence,my problem is ,they claim it is quantum science and for me its the price.If someone like these fuses and is prepared to pay the price,it is fine,everyone should do with his money whatever he wants.

I just don’t like superlative claims without proof.You will know very well,without proof, science does not exist and the other scientists will laugh at you.

Nothing more

Chees all

 

[Music and Wine]

Hi All

I don’t have a problem with people with different opinions,I love them and we should promote them,differences make us better and stronger.

If we want we can criticize every word from everybody ,but what is the purpose of it.Rather build bridges and don’t promote devision.If in every post there is only 0.01% truths and important information it is still positive.If I add this up over all the years it is a lot of good info.

Mathematically,the best ,any person can achieve is 50%,this is absolutely the best and in most cases we humans don’t even come close.So,I make many many ,mistakes daily and have to admit that.

Often people fight but actually they just misunderstand each other,sometimes we express it not accurately enough,sometimes it is a language problem.Even somebody like me,a native German ,but somebody that been educated the whole life in the English language,still have after 60 years ,sometimes problems explaining complex things even explaining something in British English is different to North America English.

I speak 7 languages,all well but none perfect and now I live in Germany and hardly speak English in normal life,except when I go into my company,where we speak mostly English.My English is getting worse,every day.If you don’t practice something daily,you lose it.

Audio is a great hobby and we should support each.I have changed a lot in the past few years.It has become unimportant who’s right,but what is right and if somebody got a better argument,this is great

My first post yesterday,I just wanted to explain why I been absent for 4 years.Looking back ,I should have said nothing and just kept quiet,this is the reason why I never posted the results for the fuses,listening to them in different systems and lab results.I didn’t want to spread more division .

If in any form or way I offended you ,please forgive me,this was never my intention.

Cheers

 

[italia]

Audiophile Guru Syndrome exists in every area of life I have experienced - cars, motorcycles, music, audio, video, literature, religion, business, raising children, politics, etc. There is an inherent desire to be a subject expert in a field which drives some to divine themselves THE EXPERT to the detriment of others' opinions. It seems being THE expert provides a cathartic injection of life's adrenaline that drives them in their world. Unhealthy obsession level, potentially.

At one point in my working career I was considered a subject matter expert of a particular facet of the business. It was kind of cool that people respected my opinion and knowledge of the area, but I never felt I had to use it to denigrate others or their opinions.

Some people are so driven by this guru syndrome that they forego all other concerns beyond their chosen interest, and dedicate ALL of their time, energy, thoughts, and focus on that single interest. I know a guy who is an expert on a particularly significant rock band, even owning a semi-private museum of memorabilia of the band. He shows no interest in other music or bands. This has gone on for many decades. I once asked him if he wonders what he has missed in recorded music over the last few decades and he looks at me like I'm some sort of idiot.

 

[morricab]

Hi Morricab

Thanks for your opinion.

Great to have you here,somebody with insight into complex things

I listen to the fuses for a long time and also some friends of mine,sometimes they sounded good but in general not better than other fuses,sometimes different.The point is that fuses are like many things,they can work for some in certain equipment ,but are not universal,the same as speaker cables or interconnects.or whatever.

I think you misunderstanding me.Everyone hears differently and if these fuses work for somebody it is fine,the problem I have got is with false claims,nothing more .I guess somebody with your experience and background will feel the same,less false claims,more honesty and integrity and respect.

The storie about high efficiency speakers and single ended speaker,I uses them and love them.If your speaker are efficient with a even and not too low impedance they can work and sound great.I see you are the importer for Aries Cerat,wonderful equipment, I was looking into buying the Exsequor amps,maybe next year.I got plenty of 813 RCA tubes,I bought 35 years ago.I am awaiting a nice life insurance ( my insurance,is now eventually paying after my diagnosis with Parkinson MSA)and I want to slit it up between my family and the duty of helping ,people in need .

I never said fuses don’t work,I use and have used aftermarket fuses from a US and German company,sometimes they work and sometimes they make things go in the wrong direction,sound gets too warm or hard.

Just want to state it again.I am not saying fuses can’t have a positive influence,my problem is ,they claim it is quantum science and for me its the price.If someone like these fuses and is prepared to pay the price,it is fine,everyone should do with his money whatever he wants.

I just don’t like superlative claims without proof.You will know very well,without proof, science does not exist and the other scientists will laugh at you.

Nothing more

Chees all

Well, Exsequor is an amazing machine...an endgame amp of that topology if ever there was one.

I agree with you that invoking quantum and such is probably bogus...I think people do it because they hear differences and don't know how to explain them. Rather than just saying it works but we don't really know how yet and getting the sound we want is a bit hit and miss they try to invoke some technobabble. Probably they reason that saying, "I don't know" is tantamount to saying it doesn't really work to many non-technical people.

 

[morricab]

Hi All

I don’t have a problem with people with different opinions,I love them and we should promote them,differences make us better and stronger.

If we want we can criticize every word from everybody ,but what is the purpose of it.Rather build bridges and don’t promote devision.If in every post there is only 0.01% truths and important information it is still positive.If I add this up over all the years it is a lot of good info.

Mathematically,the best ,any person can achieve is 50%,this is absolutely the best and in most cases we humans don’t even come close.So,I make many many ,mistakes daily and have to admit that.

Often people fight but actually they just misunderstand each other,sometimes we express it not accurately enough,sometimes it is a language problem.Even somebody like me,a native German ,but somebody that been educated the whole life in the English language,still have after 60 years ,sometimes problems explaining complex things even explaining something in British English is different to North America English.

I speak 7 languages,all well but none perfect and now I live in Germany and hardly speak English in normal life,except when I go into my company,where we speak mostly English.My English is getting worse,every day.If you don’t practice something daily,you lose it.

Audio is a great hobby and we should support each.I have changed a lot in the past few years.It has become unimportant who’s right,but what is right and if somebody got a better argument,this is great

My first post yesterday,I just wanted to explain why I been absent for 4 years.Looking back ,I should have said nothing and just kept quiet,this is the reason why I never posted the results for the fuses,listening to them in different systems and lab results.I didn’t want to spread more division .

If in any form or way I offended you ,please forgive me,this was never my intention.

Cheers

You shouldn't take it all so personally...I know I don't...challenging debate is not a bad thing. IMO, you should keep posting and just enjoy the challenging debate...even if it is frustrating at times... people will still just keep on buying what they like...a few will be influenced but many are already set upon their course (very few of the members are young).

 

[Music and Wine]

Thank you Morricab

You are right ,I should take everything not so seriously,it is normally my words to others,but today you reminded me,very good .I would love to get your experience with Aries Cerat products in the future.At the moment I live in north western Germany,but I still got a house close to Zurich,where we, my wife and myself want to retire,I can even speak Swiss German,not so easy for a normal German and speak French fluently most days.

Great to be back

Cheers

 

[morricab]

Thank you Morricab

You are right ,I should take everything not so seriously,it is normally my words to others,but today you reminded me,very good .I would love to get your experience with Aries Cerat products in the future.At the moment I live in north western Germany,but I still got a house close to Zurich,where we, my wife and myself want to retire,I can even speak Swiss German,not so easy for a normal German and speak French fluently most days.

Great to be back

Cheers

You are welcome to visit anytime...You can hear the Aries Cerat Protos and Helene DAC on Odeon Semper loudspeakers.

 

[Music and Wine]

Wow,you got Odeon speakers.The factory is 20 km from me,but never visited them,I only listen to them a few times and these were the older models.I was always positively impressed.

I live here because I care for my parents,they don’t want to live anywhere else,sometimes they come and visit me in Namibia,on my game farm,but after 4 weeks,they want to go back to Germany ,where there friends are.Old people are stubborn,maybe I am also getting old.

I will really visit you in the future.I looked at you website,but I don’t know where you are in Switzerland

Cheers