AppleTV X - I am playing with something new

Xymox

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The new Apple TV is fanless, so less vibration?

The fan never spins on the current ATV unless you do gaming. I tried one time to get it to spin and the only way i could do it was to run specific games. I suppose it will spin if its in a really hot environment tho.

Its a amazingly quiet fan BTW.

Actually, the main issue with the fan would be it would create electrical noise while running. BUT, it never runs.
 
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How long would you say it takes the power supply or internal caps to stabilize after a power failure?
With the Taiko Extreme, for example, it’s 3-5 days before it sounds its best…

Hmm... I cant say I have tested this. Your talking about thermal equilibrium. It might take a bit to reach that as there is a big chunk of metal. Hmm... hours to a day I would think. Now is this visible or audible, that is a good question. I have not looked.

Most of the image quality issues are from the streaming connection. If for some reason the connection is junky, the apps will reduce the resolution until the problem clears up. This has bothered me before. i am watching something and its stunning and suddenly, Ewuuuuu WTH.. It will clear up, but its annoying.
 
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Video Quality is amazing. I just watched Fall, which looked so good I could swear it was in 4K, nope!
 

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I am not a videophile but love great images and loved classic movies (now “forced“ to watch Netflix or Prime).
I recently replaced a panasonic plasma, that had great colors, by an oled 77 inches LG tv. Definition with 4k movies is amazing, but the “over-fluidity” looks like high quality “over-realistc” documentary and not like cinema as I was used to watch in good theatres.
So pls forgive my naive question: what is fo you a great image ? Super natural and impressive whatever the content, or very cinema-like even for 4k netflix series ? Thx
 

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Are you talking about the ATVX or just the switch from your plasma to the new LG?

You may be referring to motion interpolation artifacts. Your new LG is probably 120Hz. When you watch 24Hz movies, it has to add frames and convert to 120. That's when you get the "soap opera" effect. Experiment with different moves, if LG offers them.
 

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Indeed the LG !
Usually I remove the artificial interpolation, but seems I can’t. So I was starting to ask myself, is the soap opera look the new standard ?
If the ATVX enables a true cinema look, I am very interested.
many thanks
 

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Indeed the LG !
Usually I remove the artificial interpolation, but seems I can’t. So I was starting to ask myself, is the soap opera look the new standard ?
If the ATVX enables a true cinema look, I am very interested.
many thanks
Chris will give the best answer. I don’t think the ATVX changes this at all. It ”simply” improves the image and audio quality. Image improvements include better sharpness, contrast, and color saturation. It won’t affect motion interpolation at all.
ATVX will remove the artifacts associated with streaming, making it look more like — or better than — disc based content.
 

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Indeed the LG !
Usually I remove the artificial interpolation, but seems I can’t. So I was starting to ask myself, is the soap opera look the new standard ?
If the ATVX enables a true cinema look, I am very interested.
many thanks
Hmmmm.... Frame interpolation going on in the TV is most likely the bad actor. You gotta battle the settings. I do not remember the setting name for this. It might be more then one on LG. The best thing to do is to google _ LG your model number best settings _ and usually someone has already has a guide up on how to do the settings.

The ATVX produces whatever the source is. Well.. As long as you have Settings > Video & Audio > Match Content > Match Frame Rate > On..

Then the ATVX will produce film based sources at 24 frames per second. If its in 24 from your app/source. Most is. Then its up to your TV what to do with it. All TVs today are preset to a HORRID looking "TV soap opera" mode which makes everything look horrendous. IMHO. Technically its frame interpolation. Just nasty..

Pretty much on all TVs I have seen so far, you have to go turn off just TONS of stupid junk that TV mfgrs put in. Its a battle to get it tamed down. TONS of guides online tho on how to do this.
 

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Also LGs are terrible in that they change modes on the fly. So while watching on one app and during a movie, you might have it set right. But then a commercial comes on and a DIFFERENT set of settings come up on the TV. Different apps and source material trigger different modes on the LG. It will even going into Dolby Vision even tho you set the AppleTV to SDR and again, pick new sets of settings..

To tame it, you gotta get a set of best settings via google. Then while watching things check settings and make sure they are right. After you do this a few times you will get all the settings for all the modes it switches to all setup right.

There may also be a way to disable this auto made changing. But I think that would be in a service mode.

The other option is professional calibration. If you use a professional calibrator, the calibrator should talk to me before doing your calibration so we can make sure he lands it correctly as the ATVX is a lot higher quality then a normal ATV and requires a different focus and approach.
 

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Many thanks for your recommendations. I did find some well hidden parameters, but indeed the image mode is still a mystery. I had the tv calibrated (photography is my second hobby, colors of a great medium format digital back on a Nec calibrated monitor is something else, reds can look beautifully, almost like the unique reds of oil on wood from the 16th century, never surpassed since then).
I will further investigate and keep on following this thread, very attractive.
thx
 

Xymox

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Many thanks for your recommendations. I did find some well hidden parameters, but indeed the image mode is still a mystery. I had the tv calibrated (photography is my second hobby, colors of a great medium format digital back on a Nec calibrated monitor is something else, reds can look beautifully, almost like the unique reds of oil on wood from the 16th century, never surpassed since then).
I will further investigate and keep on following this thread, very attractive.
thx

Even I have trouble with LGs. On some settings I have to go google what they really are. Calibration guys also do a typical setup for most people unless directed specifically for some things.

Yes I am using a NEC PA271Q spectraview calibrated now on my computer to type this. NEC makes great computer monitors. I can't handle a normal computer monitor.

What I have found that is pretty consistent with all the installs of the ATVXs is on most displays the color level needs to be lowered. Like 10 points. On good quality sources/apps and with good material then the color is dead on,, but it appears most apps and a lot of material have pumped up the color. While this gets easily overlooked with a normal streaming device, the ATVX is super accurate with color and this intentional over saturation of color done by some idiot at a network, app, material by turning the color knob to 11 is obvious. So overall a lot of my cleints find dropping color intensity down some to kinda split the difference works out well.

It amazing how accurate color rendering is from the ATVX. The color of the color is just remarkable. Turner Classic Movies and some of their transfers are just remarkable. Technicolor was remarkable.

I have done 35 in homes. IMHO. Nothing quite like a good 35mm print on a 120" wide screen. There ain't no electronic medium that can do that. AND THEN there is 70mm... Digital has gotten pretty good, but, Baraka ( film ) in 70mm on a 120" wide screen using the right glass,,, NOTHING is even close.. NOTHING... Its at least 12K..

So as I was tweaking the ATVX, my 35/70 experience I think gave me the edge as these digital guys making gear today just dont know what a good picture is.. IMHO..
 
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