Amir's CES 2015 High-end Audio Report and Picture Thread

[Peter Breuninger]

These are not the Verity Monsalvat statement speakers that were supposed to be at CES. They appear to be the Lohengrin IIS. What am I missing here ?

In another thread the announcement was made that the Monsalvat was going to be a no-show. We will have our show report video done shortly complete with vids and freeze frames. BTW, we also liked the Verity room Great report!

 

[LL21]

Awesome work, Amir! Thank you! Question - i saw your photos of the Neolith...any comments you would care to share about how it sounded to you? I know shows are tough/deceiving places to listen...but curious nevertheless as to any impressions you may have.

 

[JackD201]

I'm rather disappointed that Vlad elected to go ML2.2 up top and ML3 below. I personally would have gone ML3 to handle the ever important midrange and used M1.2s or M2.2s for the bass. Their input sensitivities are very close despite the max output power differential. I'm not dissing the ML2.2 but its big brother is in a whole 'nuther league. While the combo they used might be just great in a domestic setting but you need headroom at shows. Everybody just talks too much you NEED to play louder than usual.

 

[amirm]

Awesome work, Amir! Thank you! Question - i saw your photos of the Neolith...any comments you would care to share about how it sounded to you? I know shows are tough/deceiving places to listen...but curious nevertheless as to any impressions you may have.

Thanks for the kind words. They were messing with the system, i.e. what to play and so I didn't hear it much. The little bit that I did hear sounded more like a full range speaker if you know what I mean.

 

[LL21]

Thanks for the kind words. They were messing with the system, i.e. what to play and so I didn't hear it much. The little bit that I did hear sounded more like a full range speaker if you know what I mean.

Too bad...but sounds promising. Will make a point to hear it when it comes over to this side...

 

[Steve Williams]

I'm rather disappointed that Vlad elected to go ML2.2 up top and ML3 below. I personally would have gone ML3 to handle the ever important midrange and used M1.2s or M2.2s for the bass. Their input sensitivities are very close despite the max output power differential. I'm not dissing the ML2.2 but its big brother is in a whole 'nuther league. While the combo they used might be just great in a domestic setting but you need headroom at shows. Everybody just talks too much you NEED to play louder than usual.

I asked him about this several weeks ago and posted his comments. Simply put he ran out of geography as he would have 8 boxes for the 2 ML3's. As a result he went with the ML2.2 . Simply put, the floor wasn't large enough in his room to accommodate

 

[garylkoh]

I am very sorry Gary. I could swear I went to the 30th floor and didn't see you. Nor did I think you would be there which was my bad .

No worries - you can come to Seattle and have a private listen after the gear gets back from Las Vegas

I didn't post much here on the run-up to the show as this year I had 3 times more to do.

 

[amirm]

No worries - you can come to Seattle and have a private listen after the gear gets back from Las Vegas

I didn't post much here on the run-up to the show as this year I had 3 times more to do.

Thanks . Will do. How did you find the show attendance. Was it lower as I noticed?

 

[garylkoh]

Thanks . Will do. How did you find the show attendance. Was it lower as I noticed?

It was dismal. The Genesis Candy Index was half of last year! We even had Lindt Truffles left over!

 

[Syn Res]

Not radio waves?

Thanks for the CES coverage Amir! Loved your comments re: that stupid Synergistic Atmosphere device, and especially how they described it to you. Of course 8Hz is not RF, that tells us how much they know about technology.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D58LpHBnvsI[/video]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency

Yours in music,
Ted Denney Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

 

[Peter Breuninger]

Welcome aboard TED DENNEY!

This is the best audio forum on the planet.

 

[ack]

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D58LpHBnvsI[/video]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency

Yours in music,
Ted Denney Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

Yes, as your wikipedia article shows, 8Hz is in the range of ELF, not RF - when we talk about RF, well, here's another wikipedia article which lays it out well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency

Radio frequency (RF) is a rate of oscillation in the range of around 3 kHz to 300 GHz which corresponds to the frequency of radio waves

You may wish to change your pitch to say the device operates in the ELF, and I think it will be a lot more accurate.

 

[Syn Res]

ELF is a bandwidth of RF. RF is the general term for radio waves. I do not believe anyone is confused by our explanation save those seeking to promote confusion around this product. We could not be more transparent about what we are doing with Atmosphere, or how it operates.

In the following link please notice that nowhere does the term 'RF' refer to a specific band of radio waves. RF is a general or generic term for 'radio waves' and is not spectrum specific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum

Yours in music,
Ted Denney
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

 

[DonH50]

Radio waves are transmitted and propagate fundamentally differently than sound (pressure) waves...

Is the 8 Hz signal an EM (electromagnetic) or acoustic wave?

 

[Whatmore]

ELF is a bandwidth of RF. RF is the general term for radio waves. I do not believe anyone is confused by our explanation save those seeking to promote confusion around this product. We could not be more transparent about what we are doing with Atmosphere, or how it operates.

In the following link please notice that nowhere does the term 'RF' refer to a specific band of radio waves. RF is a general or generic term for 'radio waves' and is not spectrum specific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum

Yours in music,
Ted Denney
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

New technology at work ?

"Because of the difficulty of building antennas that can radiate such long waves, ELF frequencies have been used in only a very few man-made communication systems. "

 

[ack]

In the following link please notice that nowhere does the term 'RF' refer to a specific band of radio waves. RF is a general or generic term for 'radio waves' and is not spectrum specific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum

Your link actually DOES tie 'RF' to a specific spectrum, because your article on the radio spectrum actually specifically links to the article I gave you regarding RF; here it is, in the very first sentence in fact:

The radio spectrum is that part of the electromagnetic spectrum corresponding to radio frequencies

Now click on "radio frequencies" and you will land at the right place. Therefore, the radio spectrum quite naturally corresponds to radio frequencies, and is band-specific at that; commonly, RF usually implies MHz to GHz operation, but it can go as low as the kHz as the wikipedia (on RF) article says... and DEFINITELY not in the ELF.

 

[thedudeabides]

I predict a very short life span for Mr. Denney on this forum.

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

 

[microstrip]

ELF is a bandwidth of RF. RF is the general term for radio waves. I do not believe anyone is confused by our explanation save those seeking to promote confusion around this product. We could not be more transparent about what we are doing with Atmosphere, or how it operates.

In the following link please notice that nowhere does the term 'RF' refer to a specific band of radio waves. RF is a general or generic term for 'radio waves' and is not spectrum specific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum

Yours in music,
Ted Denney
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.

I had pointed it in a previous thread - RF is general term, but most people associate it only with their AM/FM radios!
Welcome to WBF.

 

[garylkoh]

It's just semantics - because radio is based on electromagnetic principles, some people equate radio waves to electromagnetic waves. Hence, RF = the entire band of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths theoretically from the length of the Universe down to Planck constant. Ted Denney probably used this less common interpretation.

Nevertheless, in common usage "radio" spectrum range from megahertz to gigahertz..... as was pointed out by various members of WBF.

Interestingly, ELF as used by submarine radios use different technology than what the layman knows as "antennas" to transmit/receive.

 

[Barry2013]

It's just semantics - because radio is based on electromagnetic principles, some people equate radio waves to electromagnetic waves. Hence, RF = the entire band of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths theoretically from the length of the Universe down to Planck constant. Ted Denney probably used this less common interpretation.

Nevertheless, in common usage "radio" spectrum range from megahertz to gigahertz..... as was pointed out by various members of WBF.

Interestingly, ELF as used by submarine radios use different technology than what the layman knows as "antennas" to transmit/receive.

More to do with intellectual curiosity than audio excellence, but I didn't realise submarines used a different technology.Would be interested to know when it dates from and how it differs from the more familiar technology.