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    dipping my toe into the ddk flow.....

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Size:  1.38 MBi've known David Karmeli since 2001 when he sold me Kharma Exquisite 1D's as the then new Kharma N.A. Distributor. loved those speakers and grew to respect David for his depth of knowledge and experience in the hobby. he is one of the sharpest high end audio guys i know.

    over the last few years I'd read and heard about Steve's, Marty's, Ron's and Ked's visit to Utah to hear David's shrine of 50's horns and tt's. i had determined to visit David and hear the magic for myself if i found myself in Las Vegas with a free day.

    so in January i did have occasion to have a business trip planned to LV for mid February with a free day. i contacted David and set up the time. then my dear wife found out she needed Hip Replacement surgery on February 1st. so i had to wait until i knew she would be ok by herself before i knew for sure i could go. which did work out......and Wednesday morning at 9am i left my hotel to drive the 200+ miles to David's place in Cedar City, Utah.....knowing i had to be back at my Hotel for a 7pm business dinner.

    my agenda for this visit was nothing as deep and investigative as Ked's. i would only be at David's for the afternoon, and i wanted to simply experience this perspective on the hobby and enjoy the magic of David's system. as i flew back this afternoon from LV and was at work then for a few hours, I'm now pretty exhausted. but i figured i would post some pictures tonight and then add more comments tomorrow......but at least get the ball rolling before too much time had gone by.

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    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    these (sub)woofers are JBL 460's which are 70's vintage. they sit behind the big Siemens Bioner Horns. my perception in my time listening is that they do seem to blend quite effectively. i did not listen without them so it's hard to comment on their contribution. maybe David can comment or link previous relevant comments.

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    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    Cool read/visit mike , i m curious to Read if the bionors made you change your opinion regarding horns

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    Simply beautiful Mike. I have room downstairs and I am hoping to get something similar soon,god willing. I have 3 VAC Renaissance amps and a preamp. I have always loved horns since I was a teenager....Congrats on hearing such fine horns.
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    I'm glad you made the trip Mike. It opens a part of this hobby that I never had any idea existed to the extent that David has in his sound room
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    Quote Originally Posted by andromedaaudio View Post
    Cool read/visit mike , i m curious to Read if the bionors made you change your opinion regarding horns
    I heard these Siemens Bioner horns at CES in 2002 when David first acquired them.......and they were very special then too. I'd say my view of horns has not changed fundamentally.....no. but do I have deeper appreciation for what they can do at their best? sure. when the music plays to the strength of exactly the right horn in exactly the right context it mainlines the music in a unique way. i'll have more to say along these lines when I get some rest.
    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    some very special turntables.......

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    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    the American Sound tt....

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    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    and......the AF1.....

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    Wave Kin. NVS tt, AS-2000 ord. (2) Durand Telos (1-Sapphire) arms, CA Gold Stat, Ort Anna carts, -2- Studer A-820 RTR (1/4" + 1/2").*MSB Select II dac w/33 Femto clock + mono powerbases, SGM serv + (2x) 30 tb NAS. *darT NHB-18NS w/2 phonos, King-Cello. *dart 458 mono blocks. EA MM7. *Equi=tech 10WQ, (10) Abso Fid PC & (2) Evo Acou PC. *Evo Acou 12' TRSC and 8m + 1.25m 'zeel' ic's, *Tripoint Troy Sig + Elite, Entreq Sil Tel + Pos, *Herzan TS-140 & TS-150, Wave Kin. A10 U8's + 2NS, Adona GTX.

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    It is fascinating, David's listening room*. It's like a lost continent found, and you start spinning the time machine. Absolutely fascinating!

    * Just looking from the photos.
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