Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings
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And some people have no system at all...
yes better than a schiit one
The inconvenient truth about videos is that they demonstrate what a system may sound like. They do not sound exactly like the systems but they are an indication and can be used to supplement written descriptions. Some of us describe our systems as sounding natural and reminding us of what we hear when listening to live music. And yet, and yet, our systems sound quite different from each other.
Al’s system sounds radically different from my system and yet we both like the sound of our system and think it sounds like real music. iPhone YouTube videos will indicate to others whether or not our descriptions makes sense.
This is why we will never see videos from some people.
Al’s system sounds radically different from my system and yet we both like the sound of our system and think it sounds like real music. iPhone YouTube videos will indicate to others whether or not our descriptions makes sense.
This is why we will never see videos from some people.
iPhone videos don't, that's the real inconvenient truth. That is clear from the post by hopkins (#635) that compares different recording methods. Other recording methods may come closer as suggested by his follow-up comments and also demonstrated elsewhere.
Well, I don't. In some respects my system may come relatively close, and I am thrilled about that, but it's not like the real thing. I'm just being honest with myself and others. I have never heard a system that sounds like real music.
No, they won't. Recordings with professional equipment may come a bit closer.
That's what you would like to think.
The real reason is that many people (not just me) never post videos because they realize that you simply cannot replicate a system sound with, compared to that, a relatively coarse YouTube recording. If that were the case, then no expensive systems were needed. It's logical.
Those of us who think in this logical manner will not be childishly bullied into posting videos.
The whole idea that videos (rather than just being used as a tool for relative comparison within a given system) are indicative of a system sound in a more absolute manner is a distinct cheapening and trivialization of our hobby against which many people revolt, openly or more often silently, by not posting videos.
I think that digital video recordings of digital playback from audio systems are more representative of the actual sound of the system in person than are digital video recordings of analog playback from audio systems.
If a home audio system is digital-based and not analog-based I have fewer philosophical and theoretical and practical objections to digital video recordings.
If a home audio system is digital-based and not analog-based I have fewer philosophical and theoretical and practical objections to digital video recordings.
you are on a roll making up stuff on this thread
No they don't.
Yes, it is always nice to have images of systems and rooms.
I would say most not some of us.
"Sounds like real music" is embracing and ambiguous enough to get agreement of most audiophiles, but I do not think my system sounds like real music. Reminds me of real music is much truer IMO. The images of the iPhone videos will surely bias people. In blind conditions they will be extremely misleading.
People have written more than once in this forum their opinions on iPhone videos. Why do you insist on misrepresenting their arguments?
Fransisco, do you really think most people here describe their systems as sounding natural? I remember people asking me what I even mean by “natural” sounding. I think you said it was too vague a term to have any meeting. I wrote “some” people because I just don’t see most people describing the sound of their systems that way. Perhaps we just have different perceptions.
I do see people using the glossary of audiophile terms to describe their systems. The term “natural“ is not on that list. I’ve heard very few systems sound natural, that is like real music. I guess I am one of the few who can get an indication of the from regular iPhone videos.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but are you actually disputing that if an analog signal is digitized it is thereafter closer sonically to digital than it used to be?
Ron, can you share some examples to support this comment? Do your videos of your DAC playing sound more like your in room impressions than do your videos of your tape and vinyl? You suggest they do. Why do you think that? Is it what you actually hear or is it your theory?
Ron, your system sound is what it is depending on which source you use in your room. Why would your digital recording technique create a more accurate representation of one over the others?
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I’ve just never seen this position expressed by any one before Ron. I’d imagine Ked would have more data points on varying sources both analogue and digital and how representative video recordings of them tend to be than anyone else here.
Not to say that that’s not the way you experience it, like everything else we build our expectation and that easily becomes a genuinely valid part of our reality. It’ll be interesting to see how many of those that have done a lot of videos identify with this experience.
I think most, if not all, of the digital videos of analog recordings I have posted sound more digital through Vimeo after digitization then they sounded to me in the room before digitization.
Wait, what have you done with our all-analog Peter Ayer? Are you asking why digitized analog (AAD) sounds more digital than pure analog (AAA)?
Are we back to 1983? Is this a belated April fool's joke?
Seriously, I think we must be having a misunderstanding here.
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Peter,
The expressions "natural sound" or "sounding natural" have been used ad nausea in audiophile writings. Just google "natural sound" in the Stereophile Sound - you will find almost one thousand hits. Even Harry Pearson had some interesting writings on old TAS issues about "natural sounding". Quad electrostatic speakers were advertised as sounding natural ...
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"... something I love with the ARC's is the natural sound of voices when properly recorded."
I posted it on June 18, 2012
But as far as I could see GaryKoh was the first in WBF - he posted this thread in 2011
Review: Speakers that provide a natural listening experience
That’s great. That’s what you listen for. In 2015, did you hear that from your system? And would you describe your system then as sounding natural?
Are you telling that to us in support of Francisco’s statement that most people describe their systems that way? Do you describe your system now that way? I haven’t seen that on your system thread. Perhaps I missed it, but I am too lazy to read through the whole thread to look for such a description.
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