Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

[andromedaaudio]

Hé guys i Just went to a dealer to find a New hifi system .
Hé said well what are you looking for ?

I said anything is fine as long as it sounds good on YT

 

[hopkins]

Hopkins, you have a YouTube channel, why the hesitation of uploading the tablet video to YouTube so that it can be compared through the same platform? You know that YouTube compresses the audio down to 256 kbps AAC. I’m just trying to understand why you are trying to avoid normalizing your video to the same platform as the others who have and those that will submit a video for comparison. Maybe you can explain why you refuse this. If we all start uploading raw audio WAV files then there will be no standardization, no confirmation that the video was captured from the listening position or edited prior to uploading. To make this a fun exercise things should be kept simple and as consistent as possible to allow comparisons under the same playback conditions.

The hesitation was simply because I found the sound from my tablet to be pretty poor on that quick "first attempt". I am not trying to avoid "normalization", and I am not "refusing" doing this, I just did not see the point and I do not feel that I should be pressured to put just anything on my YouTube channel (just because I have one). I doubt anyone does any of this without checking the recording first and comparing several "takes". If you insist, I'll take the time to do a few more "takes" and then upload something. As I mentioned, you can already make a test yourself to see whether YouTube compression is really an issue.

I thought the initial idea was to have something comparable to M.Fremer's video, which turns out is not "simply an iphone recording"...
Also, take into account that not all build-in microphones are created equal, some are really very bad (and I do not have an iPhone ...).

 

[hopkins]

This is why I usually show the LP cover and needle drop and hand hold the phone so there is no doubt what I am doing.

That does not guarantee that the video is not edited before it is uploaded to YouTube.
This entire exercise is supposed to be fun, and we all know that the information it provides is limited anyway.

 

[PeterA]

That does not guarantee that the video is not edited before it is uploaded to YouTube.
This entire exercise is supposed to be fun, and we all know that the information it provides is limited anyway.

that’s right. I have never claimed that I edit videos. I don’t even know how to do that. That might not be enough proof for someone but who cares? I assume people take me up my word. Yes it is supposed to be fun and it is.

 

[Carlos269]

Hé guys i Just went to a dealer to find a New hifi system .
Hé said well what are you looking for ?

I said anything is fine as long as it sounds good on YT

The expectations are that whatever you put up on YouTube sounds better live in the room. This is very simple and easy to comprehend.

 

[Carlos269]

The hesitation was simply because I found the sound from my tablet to be pretty poor on that quick "first attempt". I am not trying to avoid "normalization", and I am not "refusing" doing this, I just did not see the point and I do not feel that I should be pressured to put just anything on my YouTube channel (just because I have one). I doubt anyone does any of this without checking the recording first and comparing several "takes". If you insist, I'll take the time to do a few more "takes" and then upload something. As I mentioned, you can already make a test yourself to see whether YouTube compression is really an issue.

I thought the initial idea was to have something comparable to M.Fremer's video, which turns out is not "simply an iphone recording"...
Also, take into account that not all build-in microphones are created equal, some are really very bad (and I do not have an iPhone ...).

You do not have to put anything up on YouTube; you have answered my question.

It does take a bit of courage to put a simple video of your system, from the listening position, up on YouTube for others to judge. Some feel so good about the sound that they have been able to achieved that they don’t think twice, YouTube processing and compression penalties and all.

 

[hopkins]

that’s right. I have never claimed that I edit videos. I don’t even know how to do that. That might not be enough proof for someone but who cares? I assume people take me up my word. Yes it is supposed to be fun and it is.

I was not implying that you were doing that!

Concerning microphones, these SonicPresence "binaural" microphones look really nice, and I just ordered a pair (USB-C, not XLR), as I want to try them out and use them also to record live music. They are fairly cheap, and roughly the same price as my (cheap) Superlux 502.
When I receive them (in a week or so), I will test them and make a few recordings. I think they will work fine with the build in ADC of a phone (or tablet).

 

[PeterA]

The expectations are that whatever you put up on YouTube sounds better live in the room. This is very simple and easy to comprehend.

Yes it is. It also helps if the owner states whether or not the video represents the sound he hears in his room. Some make the effort to describe differences. Fremer states that his video does. I think people who are fond of posting videos of their systems think they are somewhat representative of what they hear in their rooms. I wonder if the reason others don’t post such videos is because they either don’t think they represent the sound they hear or they do and the sound isn’t that good. I really don’t know. Or they simply don’t want to take part in the exercise which is fine too.

 

[Carlos269]

Yes it is. It also helps if the owner states whether or not the video represents the sound he hears in his room. Some make the effort to describe differences. Fremer states that his video does. I think people who are fond of posting videos of their systems think they are somewhat representative of what they hear in their rooms. I wonder if the reason others don’t post such videos is because they either don’t think they represent the sound they hear or they do and the sound isn’t that good. I really don’t know. Or they simply don’t want to take part in the exercise which is fine too.

I just find it interesting that some of the “bleeding edge Uber world class system” owners on here that are always posting about their new buys and latest and greatest upgrades are not participating with their big gun mega dollar systems.

Further to this, I find it even more compelling that the dealers and distributors on this forum who frequently post are not submitting a video of their wares. I now that EXPONA is going on this weekend so they get a pass, but what an opportunity lost for them to showcase the sound quality that they have to offer to their prospective clients.

As I say, it takes a bit of courage to post a video of your system for other to judge, you have to be confident.

 

[hopkins]

I just find it interesting that some of the “bleeding edge Uber world class system” owners on here that are always posting about their new buys and latest and greatest upgrades are not participating with their big gun mega dollar systems.

Further to this, I find it even more compelling that the dealers and distributors on this forum who frequently post are not submitting a video of their wares. I now that EXPONA is going on this weekend so they get a pass, but what an opportunity lost for them to showcase the sound quality that they have to offer to their prospective clients.

As I say, it takes a bit of courage to post a video of your system for other to judge, you have to be confident.

There are millions of YouTube videos of equipment out there... Type any speaker brand, and you are bound to find a demo. There are plenty of audiophiles who have opened their homes to reviewers, or other audiophiles, and there are dealers publishing their own videos. It does not necessarily take that much "confidence", but you have to be enthusiastic, that's for sure. Some people don't want to do this, for a number of other reasons:
- feeling of invasion of your "privacy"
- lack of time, resources, know-how
- belief that videos are not self-explanatory (unless you talk in the video, and then you go back to the other issues above)
...

 

[bonzo75]

Mike might not share videos, but his is the house most open to audiophiles including the ones who have disagreed vehemently on the forum with him. No one has had remotely the same number of visitors. And Fremer is openly inviting people too. So let’s respect that

 

[andromedaaudio]

Videos are entertainment afaik.
After years of heated discussions about SS versus tubes high end cables versus whatever cables , digital versus analogue and Horns versus cones
System Videos are a welcome distraction

 

[Carlos269]

There are millions of YouTube videos of equipment out there... Type any speaker brand, and you are bound to find a demo. There are plenty of audiophiles who have opened their homes to reviewers, or other audiophiles, and there are dealers publishing their own videos. It does not necessarily take that much "confidence", but you have to be enthusiastic, that's for sure.
...

I was speaking only of members on this site uploading videos to YouTube playing the Lori Lieberman “Truly” track.

Mike might not share videos, but his is the house most open to audiophiles including the ones who have disagreed vehemently on the forum with him. No one has had remotely the same number of visitors. And Fremer is openly inviting people too. So let’s respect that

Mike has chosen not to post videos of his system or allow others to take and post videos of his system. What about the other Wadax dac/servers owners on this site? What about the Horizon dac/ Taiko Extreme server owners on this site? Where are the videos of “Truly”” being played on those “high caliber” systems?

Videos are entertainment afaik.
After years of heated discussions about SS versus tubes high end cables versus whatever cables , digital versus analogue and Horns versus cones
System Videos are a welcome distraction

You have participated so you have done your part. Just curious why the lack of participation from the regulars on here who like to discuss their great systems all the time.

It is a lot more interesting when you have skin in the game and this is where the rubber hits the road. It is easy to type rosy flowery words about one’s system, it is even more effective to post videos of the system playing.

In-home listening invitations are compromised as who would speak negatively of a host’s system either to his face or afterwards in public. You kind of control the narrative with in-home invitations, but with these shared videos they are there to be judged and stand on their own.

 

[morricab]

Hé guys i Just went to a dealer to find a New hifi system .
Hé said well what are you looking for ?

I said anything is fine as long as it sounds good on YT

Then you want Aries Cerat! The best sounding YT videos on the planet!

 

[Al M.]

Then you want Aries Cerat! The best sounding YT videos on the planet!

And recorded with professional equipment, not a silly iPhone.

 

[morricab]

that’s right. I have never claimed that I edit videos. I don’t even know how to do that. That might not be enough proof for someone but who cares? I assume people take me up my word. Yes it is supposed to be fun and it is.

THis time, ignorance as a sign of integrity

 

[morricab]

And recorded with professional equipment, not a silly iPhone.

True, at least for Moiz. There are others that may or may not be iphone (or whatever) that are also very good. But the ones from Moiz and Prana are darn good sounding.

 

[morricab]

The expectations are that whatever you put up on YouTube sounds better live in the room. This is very simple and easy to comprehend.

Yes, so if it sounds really good on YT then one can reasonably assume it was rather fantastic live.

 

[Argonaut]

And recorded with professional equipment, not a silly iPhone.

One might assume that most folks who own a decent phone /tablet and would wish to portray their home stereo with a reasonable approximation might consider something like this to be a not exorbitant level of recording equipment for the £$

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Shure-MV88-Digital-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B08G7T3Q9S/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1ZTHWFOOPZBRC&keywords=shure+mv88&qid=1681234805&sprefix=Shure+m%2Caps%2C90&sr=8-5

 

[morricab]

One really good thing Peter B did was to record lots of rooms at shows with a standard level of recording equipment. It was not an iPhone but a dedicated video camera (not sure about outboard microphones). Pursuit of perfect system also used a good Tascam recorder with outboard microphones and while good, IMO are not at the level of Moiz recordings. Peter B. tended to use somewhat unrevealing recordings that sounded pretty decent on most systems but you could still pretty clearly separate the wheat from the chaff with is videos.