No such thing has been proved at all, let alone “clearly proved.”
Do Mobile Fidelity Vinyl Re-issues Have a Digital Step in the Process?
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No such thing has been proved at all, let alone “clearly proved.”
Thank you for reporting this interesting comparison.
Now that we Elmer Fudds know there really is a rabbit there in that Mo-Fi vinyl was there any sonic attribute or trace which you think or even suspect could be attributable to the digital step? Any sense of or trace of “dryness” or “brittleness” or less “liquidity” or less ambiance with the Mo-Fi record?
If you could keep only one of those two re-issues, which one would you keep?
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Ron,
I would be very happy if you did not cut my sentences when quoting them. IMHO after more than ten years and none of the golden ears, even the digitalphobes, detecting it , I assumed it as proved until further news. But you are right, may be those who detected it were bribed by MoFi to keep silent and and others were blackmailed or menaced by the industry ...
Why not asking also for nausea, feeling of pain, headache or toothache?
IMHO if anyone finds such defects now he will be just confirming that under suggestion bias we can find anything in this hobby.
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I have been transferring my analogue master tapes to high def. PCM and DSD. The two sounds quite distinct, at least on my DAC, and one can easily tell them apart. DSD sounds closer to the analogue tape.
I think a part of the issue here is like my friends who own many releases and loved them is that now they find DSD was used or digital in a step of the process they are upset but I think it is also and one agreed that DSD or digital can sound so good and that goes against their beliefs that analog is better which is just not true and I am a vinyl collector for many years so I got no dog in this fight except I have heard the Mofi and they sound very good better than others I've heard from the major companies at times, and that includes the flat sounding Beatles re-EQ's boxset compared to the real analog "Blue" British Parlaphone boxset that was not "improved". So if you want the Beatles sound warts and all that is the one to own. The buyer purchased the new Beatle box and raved about it. But I did not, now if that is all you had then it was fine, but is by far not the best one ever released. The old Mofi box was even better by far than the new one, and in that boxset, you could hear the tape hiss and such from the tapes that were already decaying and that is in the 80s. and that is 30-plus years ago.
Mikey is blindly only analog and always has been and that is his right but does shade his opinions. If anyone thinks with the release of new vinyl again that all the major companies who own the vast majority of music from Europe to America labels said let's bring out the master tapes (if even possible) and let's make a mother stamp from it, no way Jose, in fact, if we remember all record companies back 30 or more years ago started to take all the best sources and transferring them to the digital medium for achieving and safety due to the disintegration of the best "best" tape source they could find and for musical history sake that was a wise thing to do. That is well known and written about, it took years and years to find the better sources which was why some CDs were released 3-4 times as better sources were finally found.
A lot of that was due to many old analog recordings having sold and then not sold much for years and years, so no interest was there anymore those who wanted them owned them, which is why CD was a boom, they released recordings again that were not released in many, many years, my jaw dropped when I saw the titles that collectors were hunting down at record conventions and paying a lot of money to own again and now back out on the market by the thousands of titles and artist from the 1920s onward were available again on a new format.
Mikey is blindly only analog and always has been and that is his right but does shade his opinions. If anyone thinks with the release of new vinyl again that all the major companies who own the vast majority of music from Europe to America labels said let's bring out the master tapes (if even possible) and let's make a mother stamp from it, no way Jose, in fact, if we remember all record companies back 30 or more years ago started to take all the best sources and transferring them to the digital medium for achieving and safety due to the disintegration of the best "best" tape source they could find and for musical history sake that was a wise thing to do. That is well known and written about, it took years and years to find the better sources which was why some CDs were released 3-4 times as better sources were finally found.
A lot of that was due to many old analog recordings having sold and then not sold much for years and years, so no interest was there anymore those who wanted them owned them, which is why CD was a boom, they released recordings again that were not released in many, many years, my jaw dropped when I saw the titles that collectors were hunting down at record conventions and paying a lot of money to own again and now back out on the market by the thousands of titles and artist from the 1920s onward were available again on a new format.
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I am using a Tascam DA-3000 to encode, and a Lampizator Level 5 for DAC. The tape machine is a Nagra T Audio using my own tube tape head preamp.
Not really! A friend recently sent an email to me regarding Fremer receiving an email stating that there was digital in MoFi one steps. This email was written in 2019. I deleted it but I’ll see if it’s still in my trash bin.
Sorry to disappoint, but I do not consider an email about an email to Fremer as meaningful. If we search with google we find many rumors on the subject in the Internet, but never more than just gossip.
Even today no one has elaborated a complete list of MFSL tittles stating those who have a digital step by listening - the audiophile community is politely and lazily expecting MoFi to update the information on their site.
Your statement I originally responded to was “IMHO after more than ten years and none of the golden ears, even the digitalphobes, detecting it , I assumed it as proved until further news.”
So, the fact is some of the golden ears did detect it!
Mobile Fidelity’s situation is like the craft whiskey surprise in 2014. When The Daily Beast broke the story “Your “craft” Whiskey is Probably from a Factory Distillery in Indiana.”
Actually, yes, it appears to be legal. In the U.S., bottlers of whiskey frequently source their whiskey from one of the country’s few large distilleries.”
I struggle to see any difference. MOFI is trying to make the best recording they can. Nobody has said their process is producing an inferior recording before the disclosures.
Let’s review courtesy of the Orange Bean April 15, 2021. “These businesses, often craft whiskey brewers, may or may not mention MGP. Typically, they create an origin tale about their great-grandfather’s rye whiskey recipe. It’s a marketing ploy, of course, designed to hide the fact that the delectable brew inside the bottle actually hails from a large-scale operation that’s just very good at what it does: making whiskey. In fact, MGP has earned numerous awards for its whiskey.
MGP also makes whiskey for large brands such as Diageo, which is headquartered in London and is one of the world’s largest whiskey sellers. Diageo sells many spirits and they’re not especially keen on sharing which products feature MGP ingredients. You might be wondering, is this even legal? Can you make up an origin story about your Uncle Joe’s Appalachian moonshine still, knowing full well that your whiskey comes from a big distillery in Lawrenceburg, Indiana?Actually, yes, it appears to be legal. In the U.S., bottlers of whiskey frequently source their whiskey from one of the country’s few large distilleries.”
I struggle to see any difference. MOFI is trying to make the best recording they can. Nobody has said their process is producing an inferior recording before the disclosures.
Thanks. As far as I have read about the Tascam 3000 in gearspace.com and other professional forums the DSD mode of the recorder is better sounding than the PCM, in agreement with your opinion.
I got a Korg 2000 years ago on the advice of Gary Koh, but was disapointed with the results, even in DSD. I have been told that in order to have a "transparent" system we must move to an upper class - the Merging HORUS or HAPI units or equivalent.
I am the king ding golden ear and I detected it 10 years ago and have not purchased these digi-vinyl turd discs
Please let’s try to keep this thread focused on Mobile Fidelity topics. There are plenty of other threads discussing PCM versus DSD, and digital recording.
Thank you.
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