Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

[Al M.]

Midrange density is another extremely subjective property, that ranges in indefiniteness with natural. Using the word natural to define it only increases the circle of confusion.

I have seen these words associated with the body of the midrange zone, also some people also use it to refer to a rich midrange. Most times we get the idea of the midrange density just from the bass or treble balance - IMHO it is why the the words can be easily misleading.

Sometimes these words can have a very useful meaning when associated to adjectives in a particular sentence, but IMHO they are not good sound descriptors.

You make some good points, Francisco. My main concern in my post though was to emphasize that both parties can have a point here, that a rich midrange with body and warmth both can be more convincing and can be a coloration, depending on the circumstances.

I agree, toning down the treble often gives you a subjectively richer midrange with more body (and even subjectively more prominent mid-bass), so it is all relative.

 

[Al M.]

By the way, the rich midrange many times heard in concert halls is often also partly -- not entirely! -- a function of quite pronounced HF roll-off due to the hall acoustics.

 

[howiebrou]

But Francisco, that's what we're stuck with, language on an infinite Möbius Loop. I can imagine the cookery forums are similarly stuck in subjective Hell. I guess their advantage over us is they can all agree on what makes a great tasting steak Lol. For us, what makes a great midrange? I'd say start off with a pinch of density...

What makes a great tasting steak? Don’t be so sure! Plenty of disagreement about taste, texture, marbling, ageing, breeds etc etc.

 

[bonzo75]

What makes a great tasting steak? Don’t be so sure! Plenty of disagreement about taste, texture, marbling, ageing, breeds etc etc.

Just waiting for someone to claim the one from his own kitchen is the best

 

[Koegz]

Vegetarian

 

[nuway]

So do you use 4 of them , 2 on each end of fibre ?

Or 2 of the, so just on the on the reciever side?

4 of them , 2 on each end of fibre !

 

[BaconBrain]

Could someone tell me how far apart the feet (center to center) of the Extreme are from each other?

 

[Mike Lavigne]

What makes a great tasting steak? Don’t be so sure! Plenty of disagreement about taste, texture, marbling, ageing, breeds etc etc.

also; with food it's a contextual thing. all senses and emotions are involved (or not involved).

i've had lots of super awesome business meals, but typically those are rarely memorable even if the taste is superb.

YMMV.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Especially the steak you put on that blackeye when you push the spending too far.

 

[Taiko Audio]

Could someone tell me how far apart the feet (center to center) of the Extreme are from each other?

353mm width, 315mm depth

 

[microstrip]

(...) Hooking into the more interesting source first discussion debated in here over the Christmas period. I do agree with this approach, up till a certain point. What, again in my opinion, completely dominates the outcome is the true source, the recording, how it was made, how it was mastered and how it has been transferred to its final destination, the medium. There is no turntable, no CD transport, no server which can recover information lost in that process. We can deviate from "bit perfect" by applying processing, smart filters, EQ, introduce certain types of distortion etc. Perhaps analogue to applying sound signatures from cartridges, tonearms etc. But the mayority of people feel "bit perfect" to be a critical aspect for digital playback, as it should get you closer to how the recording sounds. But there's the culprit, how does that recording really sound. You are not listening to the actual performance, you are listening to the mix the mastering engineer felt it should sound like in his studio, often with a seal of approval of the artist, but still in quite a different environent then your home playback system. It is here where the true source first principle starts. Ironically, the better your system, the worse a specific master may turn out to sound in your environment.

Yes, it is curious that everyone insists on bit perfect, but we currently have no conditions to know how "bit perfect" are the contents delivered by the music providers, particularly in HiRez recordings.

In fact the files I have downloaded from Hi-Rez sites do not have details about how they were issued - I have lost track of the origin of a few of them, and I think l do not currently own any proof of having bough them, except perhaps the paypal receipt that does not carry any information on the file content.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Yes, it is curious that everyone insists on bit perfect, but we currently have no conditions to know how "bit perfect" are the contents delivered by the music providers, particularly in HiRez recordings.

In fact the files I have downloaded from Hi-Rez sites do not have details about how they were issued - I have lost track of the origin of a few of them, and I think l do not currently own any proof of having bough them, except perhaps the paypal receipt that does not carry any information on the file content.

except where a label makes a point of telling us what digital tools that they did or did not use, we will never know this stuff.

so we are left to listen to the various versions available to us and choose which we like. if we are told about the source resolution then that becomes a data point. enough data points and we get an idea of cause and effect. we could all list a number of labels and our views on what resolutions are 'the real thing' and which are a bit less than that. if we pay close attention there is much to be learned about recordings. i must admit this is where CD's and their jackets have consistent information about how music is recorded. which back in the CD era had little benefit. now that it's more significant (higher rez is out there for most recordings) we have to dig deeper to find it.

to me proof of concept is the degree of difference heard between resolutions for the same recording. i know it's not that simple.....but it kinda is.

 

[dminches]

except where a label makes a point of telling us what digital tools that they did or did not use, we will never know this stuff.

so we are left to listen to the various versions available to us and choose which we like. if we are told about the source resolution then that becomes a data point. enough data points and we get an idea of cause and effect. we could all list a number of labels and our views on what resolutions are 'the real thing' and which are a bit less than that.

to me proof of concept is the degree of difference heard between resolutions for the same recording. i know it's not that simple.....but it kinda is.

And this isn’t really different than for analog pressings. Very often it isn’t 100% clear what was used to create the LP.

 

[Kris]

4 of them , 2 on each end of fibre !

Thank you.
So it is 10 db in summary if you use 2 of the 5db on each fibre.
Will try that.
Not sure if Emile tried it and what is his opinion about that ?

 

[Taiko Audio]

Not sure if Emile tried it and what is his opinion about that ?

No I did not try that yet.

Testing this right now:

 

[howiebrou]

No I did not try that yet.

Testing this right now:

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No I did not try that yet.

Testing this right now:

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Emile,

Can you explain what we are looking at here?

 

[CKKeung]

Emile,

Can you explain what we are looking at here?

https://jcat.eu/featured/m12-switch-gold/

https://www.startech.com/Networking...bit-Media-Converter-open-SFP-Slot~ET91000SFP2

 

[Kris]

No I did not try that yet.

Testing this right now:

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one suggestion Emile based on my experiments .
Startech can perform a way better with good LPS .
Stock SPS is very bad.
if you swich from SPS to LPS you could get much more 3d, musicality and microdetail .

 

[Kris]

Also please Connect the grounding screw to the cable for ground In your statech.

 

[Taiko Audio]

one suggestion Emile based on my experiments .
Startech can perform a way better with good LPS .
Stock SPS is very bad.
if you swich from SPS to LPS you could get much more 3d, musicality and microdetail .

Hi Kris,

I'm aware BTW, it does not make a difference on the sending side for me where it's plugged into an entirely different circuit, I have multiple circuits available which even have separated entry points into the building.
When plugged into the same circuit I use a LPS.