Zero Distortion: Tango Time

[Steve Williams]

I got the impression we are leaving everything as is David and we are moving on. I’m not big either on deleting posts

 

[ddk]

I got the impression we are leaving everything as is David and we are moving on. I’m not big either on deleting posts

Agreed.
david

 

[KeithR]

any dbt done on panzerholz platforms?

 

[NorthStar]

Boys just want to have fun .

I promise to get everyone back on music after my jetlag is gone Folsom.

Tang, my man.

P.S. I too am not the type of person who like to see deleted posts, unless they are extremely violent, extremely negative, offensive, completely denuded of life's beauty and magic...nature, music, landscapes, wildlife, ...all that beautiful architectural and cultural jazz.

 

[spiritofmusic]

This is just, well, so beautiful. I can feel a (crocodile) tear welling up. Guys really can get in touch w their emotions.

 

[bonzo75]

This is just, well, so beautiful. I can feel a (crocodile) tear welling up. Guys really can get in touch w their emotions.

Egos, emotions, who cares

 

[spiritofmusic]

Big systems = big egos.

High end playback = emotions.

Yeah, who cares.

 

[Steve Williams]

This is just, well, so beautiful. I can feel a (crocodile) tear welling up. Guys really can get in touch w their emotions.

big sigh

 

[Steve Williams]

Tang, my man.

P.S. I too am not the type of person who like to see deleted posts, unless they are extremely violent, extremely negative, offensive, completely denuded of life's beauty and magic...nature, music, landscapes, wildlife, ...all that beautiful architectural and cultural jazz.

I’ll add off topic posts as well to your list

 

[NorthStar]

Steve, you need to relax more ...

 

[PeterA]

Meanwhile, Tang, Have you been listening to your Grado Epoch cartridge? Could you update us a bit about the cartridges you’re preferring these days and for what types of music and so forth?

 

[tima]

I got the impression we are leaving everything as is David and we are moving on. I’m not big either on deleting posts

Steve - I went ahead with creation of a Panzerholz thread in the Vibration forum. Feel free to copy messages from here to there or not. My sense is the discussion here is left in an uncertain state. While it may not be resumable with the same level of energy, the topic remains of interest. The new non-product specific thread gives that interest a place to locate where it can be more readily found going forward.

Panzerholz - its application in audio systems

 

[Taiko Audio]

There are people like me who have good experience with Taiko Daiza. Obviously David has different experiences.

Unfortunately it has just been brought to my attention by the owner of the Daiza in question it’s incomplete, the damping foams are missing. I’m shipping them monday first thing. Not using these will introduce ringing from the footer to the platform and a bright sound.

 

[Tango]

Meanwhile, Tang, Have you been listening to your Grado Epoch cartridge? Could you update us a bit about the cartridges you’re preferring these days and for what types of music and so forth?

I sent the Epoch back to Ddk only a few days after trial. The Epoch has to be loaded at 47k while having about 1 mv sensitivity. I could only use my mm input of my phono to have that loading but that input does not have enough gain to bring it to life. I also did not want to use a step up. So bye bye Epoch. 95% of the time I listen to Master Sig. It is the most lively most transparent cart I own. And once dial it in correctly it just fools me real more than other carts. I put it against gfs, opus, msl plat, atlas sl, zyx top two models on the same tt same arm and everything, the see through clarity of MS is beyond all. Second is opus. I actually use opus to be a benchmark when I tune MS. I only stop tuning the MS once I hear it beyond opus. If I cant get the MS to sound better than opus then it is not there. I have MS on both AS2000 and 927. I like listening jazz on the 927. On vocal I listen to msl plat. Its more colour in the mid makes voice sounds a little more pleasing. My atlas SL/Sat/af1p is only occationally played. It is best for amplified music. I am quite proud having each of these set up optimally.

 

[BruceD]

 

[NorthStar]

Unfortunately it has just been brought to my attention by the owner of the Daiza in question it’s incomplete, the damping foams are missing. I’m shipping them monday first thing. Not using these will introduce ringing from the footer to the platform and a bright sound.

That's...quite interesting.

 

[Taiko Audio]

That's...quite interesting.

Well yes as that adds a lot of validity to ddk’s observation.

 

[spiritofmusic]

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Sarcasm can be a blunt instrument Lol.

 

[Tango]

Sarcasm can be a blunt instrument Lol.

Or maybe just mentally deprived.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

I sent the Epoch back to Ddk only a few days after trial. The Epoch has to be loaded at 47k while having about 1 mv sensitivity. I could only use my mm input of my phono to have that loading but that input does not have enough gain to bring it to life. I also did not want to use a step up. So bye bye Epoch. 95% of the time I listen to Master Sig. It is the most lively most transparent cart I own. And once dial it in correctly it just fools me real more than other carts. I put it against gfs, opus, msl plat, atlas sl, zyx top two models on the same tt same arm and everything, the see through clarity of MS is beyond all. Second is opus. I actually use opus to be a benchmark when I tune MS. I only stop tuning the MS once I hear it beyond opus. If I cant get the MS to sound better than opus then it is not there. I have MS on both AS2000 and 927. I like listening jazz on the 927. On vocal I listen to msl plat. Its more colour in the mid makes voice sounds a little more pleasing. My atlas SL/Sat/af1p is only occationally played. It is best for amplified music. I am quite proud having each of these set up optimally.

Hi Tang,

Did you manage to get the MS to not be sibilant for good now or is it something that you just accept for its other virtues and then use the MSL for vocals where sibilants are particularly the issue?