This doesn’t sound like any XLF I heard
! This is horrible can’t even tell what it is visually from that dark blurry video.david
Chronosonic XVX.
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! This is horrible can’t even tell what it is visually from that dark blurry video.david
Elliot G.
Dealer - Bending Wave
I could not disagree more . One cant separate the sound of the speaker without taking in to account the room, gear and the SET UP of such.
Small increments of positioning make large differences in the performance of any high quality speaker. The ability of the speaker to resolve and play are greatly influenced by the acoustics of the room as well. These three things are inseparable! In my opinion one can't really make a good choice on the gear in front without this process being accomplished.
Whether one chooses this speaker or another the process to get it working correctly and coupled properly in the room and having the seating in the correct place as well is really job number 1. By the way if you bring a second speaker into the room with the first that alone effects the sound. I was just at an install that just removing two subs that were unused made a clear sound change in the room for the better.
My two cents!
Small increments of positioning make large differences in the performance of any high quality speaker. The ability of the speaker to resolve and play are greatly influenced by the acoustics of the room as well. These three things are inseparable! In my opinion one can't really make a good choice on the gear in front without this process being accomplished.
Whether one chooses this speaker or another the process to get it working correctly and coupled properly in the room and having the seating in the correct place as well is really job number 1. By the way if you bring a second speaker into the room with the first that alone effects the sound. I was just at an install that just removing two subs that were unused made a clear sound change in the room for the better.
My two cents!
Steve Williams
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Ooh. My master jedi you might like better if I send a more naked video...no blurry stuff.
depends on the subject matter, some things are best left in the dark
!david
Mike,thanks for taking the time to answer my questions.
I don't work for Wilson Audio and I'm not a dealer. I started this thread in the Wilson Audio Speaker Forum because I thought Wilson owners would be interested in the development of the new XVX.
Yet to see any measurements that support Wilson's claims to time/phase alignment on any of his speakers.
Maybe like pushing a button on the remote to switch inputs?
I find that type of comparison (flipping quickly back and forth) rarely gives insight on differences or similarities between components. Takes more time to learn character.
my choice of the word 'promo' had no intended negative connotation but more just that it was about the introduction of a new Wilson speaker. i meant no disrespect to you or Wilson by it.
If you have to flip back and forth too many times it is not really a difference worth noting. Differences should' he large enough, you should hear it within one to two changes, with another flip back to confirm, and should be consistent across most recordings in that system. So for example you find a difference in violin highs, it should be across violin highs on other recordings. Same with any other attribute like bass or overall natural ness.
And then, the difference should be reproducible across changes, else maybe one is optimally set up, other is not. You will know only by trying in different systems
Steve Williams
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Well when I first visited Dave Wilson to hear the comparison between two different generations of his large speakers you sit in the listening position with music playing through one set of speakers. Push a button and it instantly switches to the other speakers. For my ears it was the best A/B comparison I ever heard. None of what you say was my experience but rather the opposite
Rhapsody's room is excellent for many back to back compares, speakers it otherwise.
As is Tang's room. Or David's. And some other hosts who sometimes have same set up across everything. Anamighty is very good for this stuff.
For example, the big Linn shop in the UK has Lyra atlas, Etna, one more model, dyna xv1 across the same arm.
At Lampi factory, you can play a CD loop. You can set the CD player to loop between two points. So the same loop keeps rewind repeating, as you toggle between caps or anything to go a blind AB. Of course you are not meant to use the loop alone but it is another tool to have.
As is Tang's room. Or David's. And some other hosts who sometimes have same set up across everything. Anamighty is very good for this stuff.
For example, the big Linn shop in the UK has Lyra atlas, Etna, one more model, dyna xv1 across the same arm.
At Lampi factory, you can play a CD loop. You can set the CD player to loop between two points. So the same loop keeps rewind repeating, as you toggle between caps or anything to go a blind AB. Of course you are not meant to use the loop alone but it is another tool to have.
Character holds across recordings, yes. Same system, single change, controlled environment, is my preferred context. While a difference may hold a cross different systems, that's usually too many variables, particularly if you run across one, where there might be more synergy.
But I'm not a flipper, that is short interval back and forth. Imo, that's more likely to give misleading impressions than taking longer time with each. I do realize some folks don't have the time to take, much less live with components for weeks or months.
Living with doesn't change anything, unless set up changes. One can stay clueless for ages unless he realizes otherwise. Living with changes for those who are very experienced with that component. I know people who have stayed with a speaker or a dac or analog set up for years and never realized how wrong they were, mainly because they did not have a reference for the component in the first place. Their only reference was to what they owned before. This is unfortunately more of a norm than an exception.
For example, if you want to listen to evolution acoustics, Mike's place is the best. AS... David or one set up by David... Vyger, the General's, and so on. Putting it up at yours for months won't help, imo, unless you are a set up whiz (which you might be). You saw the recent discussion on the vdh set up. How many have the resources like tang to immediately have on hand a tonearm set up expert to correct something they have bought? They would usually dismiss it as not compatible and sell off. At least that person was active on the forum to get feedback, many are not
Steve Williams
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That would be it Joe
I remember John Giolas was playing the music. He said listen as long as I want and push the button whenever I want. IIRC the switch box was designed special for Dave with outputs identical in every way.
As I said it was the best A/B test ive ever done. I bought speakers the next day.
I remember John Giolas was playing the music. He said listen as long as I want and push the button whenever I want. IIRC the switch box was designed special for Dave with outputs identical in every way.
As I said it was the best A/B test ive ever done. I bought speakers the next day.
Yes, I always claim that a lot of controls are needed in direct short time A/B tests, if people want to carry them and take conclusions from them. As these conditions are almost never met, I take these reports with plenty of care.
Fortunately my listening of X2, XLF of WAMM was not an A/B test and I could listen to all of them with different electronics a significant time in several sessions, some of them using my own preferred recordings.
Enough people with known review work have explained with great detail why the WAMMs are such great speakers, much better than I could do. If people are really interested these detailed reports are easily available. Surely skeptics can always fuel their skepticism using their imagination ...
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