Hint of new Magico products

[asiufy]

Would be interesting to know what types of music asiufy (alexandre) and stereo listen to.

Rock, both old and new, and jazz, both old and new. Some classical too, mostly large-scale stuff (symphonies, etc).
Analog and digital.
I hardly ever listen to solo stuff, or small scale stuff (trio jazz, simple vocal jazz, etc.)

I do understand the improvents the Q1 has over the S1, in delicacy, transparency, etc. But its shortcomings are more relevant to me than those improvements, as the S1 is a fantastic speaker in transparency to begin with.

And honestly, I don't think there's a bookshelf speaker in this world that I'd be happy with, so maybe it's not Q1's fault that I think it's the least interesting speaker in the Magico line. I'd rather have a small floorstanding like the S1 (or the YG Carmels, another brilliant design), than a bookshelf.


alexandre

 

[number95]

That is also my favorite. It is also less costly compared to M coating.

 

[PeterA]

I do understand the improvents the Q1 has over the S1, in delicacy, transparency, etc. But its shortcomings are more relevant to me than those improvements, as the S1 is a fantastic speaker in transparency to begin with.

And honestly, I don't think there's a bookshelf speaker in this world that I'd be happy with, so maybe it's not Q1's fault that I think it's the least interesting speaker in the Magico line. I'd rather have a small floorstanding like the S1 (or the YG Carmels, another brilliant design), than a bookshelf.


alexandre

Is the Q1 considered a "bookshelf" speaker? The stand is integral to the design and not meant to be removed.

 

[asiufy]

Is the Q1 considered a "bookshelf" speaker? The stand is integral to the design and not meant to be removed.

I've seen it mentioned either as a bookshelf, or as a mini-monitor.


alexandre

 

[microstrip]

Is the Q1 considered a "bookshelf" speaker? The stand is integral to the design and not meant to be removed.

IMHO the Q1 should not be considered so, as its response is not tailored for such placement. The two examples of bookshelf speakers that I am remembering now are the BBC designed LS3 5A and the Wilson Duettes II.

 

[PeterA]

IMHO the Q1 should not be considered so, as its response is not tailored for such placement. The two examples of bookshelf speakers that I am remembering now are the BBC designed LS3 5A and the Wilson Duettes II.

Agreed. They could just extend the Q1 down to the floor, call it a floor stander and it would be $35-40K. That might be difficult to market, though.

 

[stereo]

Would be interesting to know what types of music asiufy (alexandre) and stereo listen to.

Jazz (from 50s to contemporary, mainly solo, trio, quintet...), vocal, classical guitar, Baroque, church music. Very little Symphonic orchestra, would not use Q1 or any 2 ways for that.
I would claim that Q1 mid range transparency is even better than on Q3 and Q5.

 

[stereo]

Black Carbon Fibre finish

I would have picked the same, looks gorgeous.

 

[PeterA]

Jazz (from 50s to contemporary, mainly solo, trio, quintet...), vocal, classical guitar, Baroque, church music. Very little Symphonic orchestra, would not use Q1 or any 2 ways for that.
I would claim that Q1 mid range transparency is even better than on Q3 and Q5.

Is that because symphonic/orchestral music is too full range or low in extension for the Q1? If so, doesn't the organ in church music present the same issue. Or is there another reason you would not use the Q1 for symphonic music?

 

[asiufy]

IMHO the Q1 should not be considered so, as its response is not tailored for such placement. The two examples of bookshelf speakers that I am remembering now are the BBC designed LS3 5A and the Wilson Duettes II.

Well, I suggest you go argue your point with Magico then:

http://magico.net/Product/Q1/Q1_04.php

"The outcome is a compact, convertible stand-mounted/bookshelf loudspeaker with explosive, true full-range performance. It is the 2-way monitor that has never before been built, by our company or any other"

I think you're arguing semantics here, and usage of a term (bookshelf) that is widely used in the marketplace to denote just the kind of speaker the Q1 is.

alexandre

 

[asiufy]

Agreed. They could just extend the Q1 down to the floor, call it a floor stander and it would be $35-40K. That might be difficult to market, though.

Peter,

I guess they understand that would be spreading their lines too thin.
I understand your concern, since you have a Mini II, and I've read your concerns that a floorstanding Magico might overwhelm your room. I've found that has never been the case, even with my Q3, that I've placed in rooms many times smaller than mine (like 2,5m x 4m).
If your musical taste veers towards stereo's, you might want to give the Q1s a try, as, apparently, they do have more bass than your Mini II, and a midrange to die for


alexandre

 

[stereo]

Is that because symphonic/orchestral music is too full range or low in extension for the Q1? If so, doesn't the organ in church music present the same issue. Or is there another reason you would not use the Q1 for symphonic music?

I would not use any 2 ways as my main speaker if my main taste would be in symphonic music and rock. Not that the Q1 cannot play it well- it will do a better job at it than your Mini II, which is already great (more transparency, more bass extension). Just the fact that a S5 or Q3 would be a better speaker for this type of music.
And I am not listening to organ music, more to cantatas, church choir, etc.

 

[Orb]

Peter,

I guess they understand that would be spreading their lines too thin.
I understand your concern, since you have a Mini II, and I've read your concerns that a floorstanding Magico might overwhelm your room. I've found that has never been the case, even with my Q3, that I've placed in rooms many times smaller than mine (like 2,5m x 4m).
If your musical taste veers towards stereo's, you might want to give the Q1s a try, as, apparently, they do have more bass than your Mini II, and a midrange to die for


alexandre

Although they need very specific room placementent/boundary considerations say compared to the S models?
By this I mean I thought the Q1 was not very room benign, one reason I could never really considered the V3 or Mini if looking to get the best out of them.
Never had the Q1/Q3 at home so curious how setup compares to S3/S1 in this regard.

Thanks
Orb

 

[asiufy]

Although they need very specific room placementent/boundary considerations say compared to the S models?
By this I mean I thought the Q1 was not very room benign, one reason I could never really considered the V3 or Mini if looking to get the best out of them.
Never had the Q1/Q3 at home so curious how setup compares to S3/S1 in this regard.

Thanks
Orb

And I've never had the S5 in my home, so I don't know. Every time I heard the S-series (5 and 1), it was in a huge room, and they were both placed about 2m from the back wall.
Setup is pretty straightforward with the Q3, and I don't think it'll differ much from other speakers. If you place them too close to the back wall, you'll loose depth of image, and the mid-bass will be somewhat muddied. I keep mine about 1,8m from the back wall. For instance, if I make that 1,3m, it will sound "thicker". The up side is that the low bass will be a lot more controlled, no matter where you place them, than just about any (ported) speaker.


alexandre

 

[PeterA]

Peter,

I guess they understand that would be spreading their lines too thin.
I understand your concern, since you have a Mini II, and I've read your concerns that a floorstanding Magico might overwhelm your room. I've found that has never been the case, even with my Q3, that I've placed in rooms many times smaller than mine (like 2,5m x 4m).
If your musical taste veers towards stereo's, you might want to give the Q1s a try, as, apparently, they do have more bass than your Mini II, and a midrange to die for


alexandre

Thanks Alexandre. I've thought briefly about the Q1. I don't really like the looks and if I were to upgrade from my Mini2, I would buy a larger three way speaker. My local dealer told me the Q3 would be too much speaker for my room, just as he did with the V3. I think the Q3 might work, though. I really have two concerns: driver integration while sitting only 9'-10' from the baffle and bass overloading my room. Of course, I can't know for sure until I try one in my actual space.

I don't happen to like the aesthetics of the Q1 but love the looks and sound of the Mini2, so for now I'm staying with what I have. I'm hoping that there will be a future Magico speaker that is as transparent as the Q line and a bit smaller than the current Q3. I do listen mostly to classical and jazz. Smaller scale chamber, solo, quartets etc. but also concertos and some large scale symphonic music and vocals. Also some classic rock, but I don't care if I capture that bass/volume as much as I care about timbral accuracy, dynamics and presence. The Mini2 gives me all of that. I'll wait to see what Magico developes in the future. I'm very patient. The Mini 2 is more than satisfactory.

 

[Mark Jones]

Peter,

Just buy the Q3's, you will then be able to hear everything your SME 30/12 has to offer.

8-9 feet apart 9-10 feet away, sounds perfect to me.

 

[mauidan]

Peter,

I would wait on the Q series until after CES 2015.

 

[Bodhi]

Thanks Alexandre. I've thought briefly about the Q1. I don't really like the looks and if I were to upgrade from my Mini2, I would buy a larger three way speaker. My local dealer told me the Q3 would be too much speaker for my room, just as he did with the V3. I think the Q3 might work, though. I really have two concerns: driver integration while sitting only 9'-10' from the baffle and bass overloading my room. Of course, I can't know for sure until I try one in my actual space.

I don't happen to like the aesthetics of the Q1 but love the looks and sound of the Mini2, so for now I'm staying with what I have. I'm hoping that there will be a future Magico speaker that is as transparent as the Q line and a bit smaller than the current Q3. I do listen mostly to classical and jazz. Smaller scale chamber, solo, quartets etc. but also concertos and some large scale symphonic music and vocals. Also some classic rock, but I don't care if I capture that bass/volume as much as I care about timbral accuracy, dynamics and presence. The Mini2 gives me all of that. I'll wait to see what Magico developes in the future. I'm very patient. The Mini 2 is more than satisfactory.

Have you considered the S3 Peter? S3 is ideal for a small - small-medium room. The S3's are doing something special in the midrange, and its form factor makes it easier to integrate in your room size. Q3 is obviously better, but will empty your wallet of a lot more cash and in my view is better suited to a medium size room. Something to chew on..

 

[dafos]

Peter,

I would wait on the Q series until after CES 2015.

Can you clue us in??

 

[PeterA]

Peter,

Just buy the Q3's, you will then be able to hear everything your SME 30/12 has to offer.

8-9 feet apart 9-10 feet away, sounds perfect to me.

Thanks Mark. I agree, those basics seem fine. It's the size of the room that I'm considering and that it is not dedicated. Could you describe the systems on which you have heard the SME 30/12?