Magico S5

Superlative measurements .. Them people at Magico are unto something. !! Woah!!

Alon is very much into measurements. :) In this case, he seems to have found some that do correlate very well with the listening experience. I'll have more on that in a followup interview with Alon.
 
Myles

I find myself agreeing with your review and you know I cannot allow this to go on :D ... One thing that struck me about your observations is that strange and unusual sense of "quietness".. The Magico speakers at least those I have heard (Mini, Q3, Q5 and Q7) are "quiet"for the lack of a better word. Plus they do what ESL are known for but as Ack put it with some serious meat on the bones" A sense of fleshing out the music... I believe it is the cleanliness of midband reproduction that is at play there,something most other speakers don't do as well. I would venture that the Magico as a group must be very low distortion in the midband say from 150 Hz to 3~4 KHz .. I would like to see measurements in that region. As for their treble same thing.

I would like to have your opinion on the Q3. They are to my ears spooky... So neutral , true to the source and chameleon-like they are... Incredible speakers ..world class, Top of the Line sound

I want to hear the new M series. From what I saw during my visit, these new drivers could be very interesting especially that new tweeter.
 
I want to hear the new M series. From what I saw during my visit, these new drivers could be very interesting especially that new tweeter.

Thats an intriguing post, Myles. I did not know there was a whole new M series following this M Project. Nor had I read anywhere that the drivers were all going to be new. They seem to have designed at least one new driver for most of the speakers in the S and Q lines, so it is not surprising. I had thought the curved cabinet sides made of carbon fiber mated to the curved aluminum baffle is what distinguishes the M Project speaker, with perhaps a separate midrange enclosure developed from the S3. Very interesting.

Innovation seems to come at a dizzying pace at Magico. Perhaps they will have an M2 with which I can replace my Mini2.
 
Thats an intriguing post, Myles. I did not know there was a whole new M series following this M Project. Nor had I read anywhere that the drivers were all going to be new. They seem to have designed at least one new driver for most of the speakers in the S and Q lines, so it is not surprising. I had thought the curved cabinet sides made of carbon fiber mated to the curved aluminum baffle is what distinguishes the M Project speaker, with perhaps a separate midrange enclosure developed from the S3. Very interesting.

Innovation seems to come at a dizzying pace at Magico. Perhaps they will have an M2 with which I can replace my Mini2.

No I meant the M-project. :)

I think some of the pace of innovation at Magico comes in part from their ability to computer model the design of their enclosures.
 
Myles,

Just read your nice review of the Magico S5 - really a good work. However, considering it was made using only analog recorded material with SOTA sources, I think people using mainly digital sources should take it with many grains of salt. I own similar analog material and sources and digital, and I have found that opinions based mainly in red book material are many times quite different from those based in tape or vinyl. Just my 2 cent opinion ...

Also people should consider that the S5 costs 2.5 times more than the Summit X. BTW, I hope that sometime in the future we read your review and opinions on the Q3 or the Q5 - IMHO the last one would be a real partner to your275W ART amplifiers.
 
Myles did a great job for pt.1

Part 2 is in 4K video :)
 
Myles,

Just read your nice review of the Magico S5 - really a good work. However, considering it was made using only analog recorded material with SOTA sources, I think people using mainly digital sources should take it with many grains of salt. I own similar analog material and sources and digital, and I have found that opinions based mainly in red book material are many times quite different from those based in tape or vinyl. Just my 2 cent opinion ...

Kinda agree...guess which speaks to you. Not sure if I said it here or somewhere else, but if you are listening to the S5s with digital, it better be high rez. Otherwise you're going to hit its resolution ceiling and hear issues other than the speakers. I think though if you had the chance to hear it in my system, you might see why....

Also people should consider that the S5 costs 2.5 times more than the Summit X. BTW, I hope that sometime in the future we read your review and opinions on the Q3 or the Q5 - IMHO the last one would be a real partner to your275W ART amplifiers.

Not sure if I said that in the piece--but I wholeheartedly agree. I still think the Summit-X is a very, very good speaker for the money.

Q5? I don't want anything in here I can't afford. :)
 
Myles,

Just read your nice review of the Magico S5 - really a good work. However, considering it was made using only analog recorded material with SOTA sources, I think people using mainly digital sources should take it with many grains of salt. I own similar analog material and sources and digital, and I have found that opinions based mainly in red book material are many times quite different from those based in tape or vinyl. Just my 2 cent opinion ...

Funny, JV was complaining in his recent review of the U3 that he couldn't quite call it "the best", until he hears it on analog but he is willing to call it "the best" he heard on digital... In any event, I listen mainly to red book digital, and I can assure you, Myles is spot on. When you look at the S5 as a whole, consider all the reviews and opinions we all read, look at the plenty of objective data available (Are these not the best overall loudspeakers measurements you ever seen??), you are left with no reason to think that this speaker, on any format, is anything but outstanding. It is also an incredible bargain, considering what the competition is selling for even $50K or more.
 
Funny, JV was complaining in his recent review of the U3 that he couldn't quite call it "the best", until he hears it on analog but he is willing to call it "the best" he heard on digital... In any event, I listen mainly to red book digital, and I can assure you, Myles is spot on. When you look at the S5 as a whole, consider all the reviews and opinions we all read, look at the plenty of objective data available (Are these not the best overall loudspeakers measurements you ever seen??), you are left with no reason to think that this speaker, on any format, is anything but outstanding. It is also an incredible bargain, considering what the competition is selling for even $50K or more.

Cannata, Have you heard the Q3?
 
ditto, informative review. Myles, you mentioned you recently heard the S3 with tubes how would you compare the mid-band from one to the other?
 
Cannata, Have you heard the Q3?

Yes, a good friend have them. He bought the Magico ticket when I was still playing in the sand box. I am trying to slow down, I spent a lot of money on speakers this year… I also heard that a new Q5 is coming. That may be my last speaker, if the price will stay put.
 
ditto, informative review. Myles, you mentioned you recently heard the S3 with tubes how would you compare the mid-band from one to the other?

Rob they were such totally different circumstances as to make any comparison unfair and impossible. Bigger room, totally different equipment, etc. other than to say wish could hear this 50 watt AN Kagura amp in my system. :)
 
Rob they were such totally different circumstances as to make any comparison unfair and impossible. Bigger room, totally different equipment, etc. other than to say wish could hear this 50 watt AN Kagura amp in my system. :)

That can happen very easily:).....ask and it shall be done. You can have them for a few weeks if you like.
 
At THE Show I think both the Q7 (R2R tape) and the S3 (LP) were demo'ed with analog sources.
 
Somewhere I thought you made the comment that Magicos are almost always exhibited with digital sources, but perhaps someone else posted it, or perhaps I was thinking of SS vs. tubes. Sorry if it was confusing :confused: I'm following this thread in too many Internet forums...
 
(...) Are these not the best overall loudspeakers measurements you ever seen?? (...) .

No they are not :) , although the distortion measurement is exceptional. And IMHO several Magico speakers with much poorer measurements sound better than the S5. YMMV.
 
Somewhere I thought you made the comment that Magicos are almost always exhibited with digital sources, but perhaps someone else posted it, or perhaps I was thinking of SS vs. tubes. Sorry if it was confusing :confused: I'm following this thread in too many Internet forums...

Well that's been the case at most of the shows I've been at; but the key word was almost. I think in Chicago, one Magico room with the S3s had a turntable but they weren't really playing it.

I assume that you're referring to the Newport show? That's one that I don't attend.
 
No they are not :) , although the distortion measurement is exceptional. And IMHO several Magico speakers with much poorer measurements sound better than the S5. YMMV.

Of course they are :(, but if you feel otherwise, please point to supporting data. BTW, none of the Magico loudspeakers that I have seen measurements of (excluding the old V/M), measure “much poorer”.
 

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