Guys, this thread asked if anyone had experience with these devices. Let's leave the personal jabs out of it.
Lee
Lee
(...) How come you don't insist on test measurements on this product or any other product for that matter to prove the product's specs or their effectiveness? That's my question to you and others for that matter. I know there are people on this site that do want test measurements. I'm not alone in this.
How is that germane to the discussion?
Maybe because manufacturers don't tell the truth? Go read my interview with Gordon Holt and the history of audio measurements.
I don't have to read your interview with Gordon Holt and the history of audio measurements.
How is knowing what your PhD is in? Well, my question is why are you so afraid to tell everyone? I told you it helps me understand a little more of your background. My guess is that it's nothing related to audio, acoustic engineering, or anything technical. Am I correct in that assumption? You unwillingness to share that information indicates that I'm right because if it was related, you would have told everyone a long time ago. I do know about human behavior and psychology, amongst a lot of other subjects.
Really you seem to read everything else and swallow the advertising hook, line and sinker. But when it comes to understanding that specs are always manipulated to show something in the best possible light, that's ok?
No you're simply trying to change the topic and deflect the criticism from you. Nice try but no cake.
Has anyone, just for kicks, broken one of these open?
Seriously, these are about the size of a very short stack of dimes. A dime is approximately .0025 square feet. 400 of these things will cover ONE SQUARE FOOT of wall space. A room 8 feet high by 15 wide buy 20 long (an average room) has 120 square feet on the front wall alone. It would take 500 of these to cover ONE PERCENT of that front wall. What about the other three walls, ceiling and floor?
Is the set of five or 25 or 125 really going to do anything--especially for "low frequency extension/bass control?"
There are some tests I don't understand, but if I can read more on the subject and there are people that can help me understand, I'm VERY willing to do so. I think everyone should do this that's passionate about a hobby or profession should do this. It's part of the learning process.
Mr. Davis,
I am very passionate about this hobby (going on some 35 years or so) but with all due respect, who are you to tell me I'm not passionate if I have no personal desire to dig into the "technical / measurement" weeds of a particular piece of hardware?
Part of the learning process? Really. Who are you to judge what I should "learn" or not learn?
Quite a pretentious, arrogant position to say the least.
I also look forward to comments from those who will audition the product.
GG
I spent $1500 to have an acoustic engineer come to my house to measure my room as he was also using data to develop an AES white paper on small room acoustics and my room was one of the samples in the AES whitepaper. This was done many, many years ago. It was $1500 well spent, but I can also get free consultation as well from various companies that make products. You can go on various website like Auralex, type in your room measurements and they'll spit out products they sell that will help your room. ASC will do free consultation as will others, but that's the cheap and dirty method. But to REALLY get your room done to the point where it's as close to perfect, it costs money. LOTS of it for both consolation and the treatment, it's all what your budget allows. but if you are spending $100K or more on equipment, then money isn't an issue and I would spend that much on the room, you'll get your monies worth out of your equipment and you may find not having to buy bigger speakers to get more bottom end. A lot of that can be accomplished with just better treatment that can deal with low frequencies. For some reason, we don't take room acoustics as serious as we do equipment, but the reality is a better sounding room will make your system sound better, regardless of how much you spent on your equipment. Some would suggest 50% on the room and 50% on the equipment, so if you have $100K, spend $50K on your room and $50K on your equipment and it will probably out perform a $100K system in an untreated room. But most people don't see it that way because they might not have every been in a properly treated room.
(...) In my opinion, the rooms could have benefitted from some absorption properly placed, especially at the first reflection points. (...)
This thread reminds me of why we used Cliffs Notes back in the day![]()
We have many opinions on the effect of sound absorption at the first reflection points, and many divergences here. "Room Acoustics with Attitude," by Keith Howard in the March 2001 Hi-Fi News (p. 74) is a very interesting article referring to this subject and can be found in the Wilson Audifile May/June 2003 - volume 2 issue 3. http://www.wilsonaudio.com/pdf/vol2no3.pdf
The conclusion is great “But do bear in mind that all such ‘rules’, whoever espouses them, are for the adherence of fools and the guidance of the wise. You won’t find me arguing with the maxim: if it sounds right, it is right. However you achieve it.”
We have many opinions on the effect of sound absorption at the first reflection points, and many divergences here. "Room Acoustics with Attitude," by Keith Howard in the March 2001 Hi-Fi News (p. 74) is a very interesting article referring to this subject and can be found in the Wilson Audifile May/June 2003 - volume 2 issue 3. http://www.wilsonaudio.com/pdf/vol2no3.pdf
The conclusion is great “But do bear in mind that all such ‘rules’, whoever espouses them, are for the adherence of fools and the guidance of the wise. You won’t find me arguing with the maxim: if it sounds right, it is right. However you achieve it.”
Wow just went through 14 pages hoping to get some real world feedback on this product. I guess I was hoping for too much. I am open minded about tweaks but at the same time like to know the theory behind them as well, more out of curiosity. I also understand there is so much we don't understand about music and how our brains processes sound. If we don't know what to measure how do we measure it? Anyway, I have a couple boxes of HFTs coming on demo soon. I will report back with my impressions shortly so hopefully this thread can get back on track and provide useful information for us crazy audiophiles. I hope it isn't too late to save this thread.![]()
I recently heard the full SR HFT system and ART system in two dealer demo rooms. It was very difficult to asses the effectiveness of this system and to isolate it from the rest of the components, especially because I had no previous experience with these systems and these rooms. I will say that I found the sound to be rather diffuse, not clearly focused or grounded. In my opinion, the rooms could have benefitted from some absorption properly placed, especially at the first reflection points. I don't think these SR systems can be the only room treatment in a room for optimal sound, but that is only after a very limited demonstration.
tboooe, Though the dealer did not remove the HFT treatments to give us a direct with/with out comparison, my general impressions of the product, or at least of the sound in the two rooms is expressed in the above quote. I look forward to reading your impressions of having them in your own system.
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