I'm not sure if people are still getting Sudden Devialet Death Syndrome a Gatomusik so aptly dubbed it but I think I may have stumbled on something which has been working for me without any dropping off the system or momentary drops in music. 1. D-Premier on, 2. Air 2.1 on and signed onto D-Premier, 3. Start iTunes. So far, following that specific sequence has resulted in 2 days of faultless performance. Give it a try and see if it resolves the issue.
Has anyone heard the Devialet D-Premier Integrated Amp/DAC
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Funnily enough I had this type of experience with Air 1.5. With Air 2.1 I can turn things on in any order albeit I now have a dedicated router. Not being an expert, my only reasoning was that this variability might happen where network signal strength is marginal or marginal/variable.
As Devialet say, albeit their timing was far from ideal when 6.0.6 had a fault, optimising one's network remains an important constituent of the wifi architecture.
No, no. I've discovered the true cause of SDDS: It only happens on even-numbered days. On July 10, I had two occasions, none on July 11, and thus far one today, July 12. Clearly a case of calendrical peevishness!
Seriously, though, thanks for your suggestion. I'll try the start-up sequence you detailed.
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I just signed up on this forum as I have a Devialet 170 incoming, hopefully next week as there is no stock at the dealers. I have been following this thread for many days, I would like to add that no system is perfect and my PS Audio PWD Mk II with the bridge also drops connection quite frequently. I only stream my music and that too through Ethernet even though the PWD can stream wireless. I use the elyric software by PS Audio and it still drops connections.
My guess is streaming is something which always gives a bit of an issue. I love the sound of my system, especially the PWD DAC and will be very sad to see it go as it is one of the best unit I have had over the years in my various gear and was not going to sell it, But when I heard that Devialet is coming out with more options I couldn't resist. This is will also simplify my setup further as I live in a condo.
I am hoping the DAC portion of the Devialet is at least as good as the PWD. Also the PS Audio forum is very huge and very active and I am wondering why Devialet being such an Avant-garde company, don't have any active forum on their website. I also wish they changed the layout as it almost looks like a advertisement site instead of an audio company!
Just wanted to say hi and hope to be around a lot more on this forum!
My guess is streaming is something which always gives a bit of an issue. I love the sound of my system, especially the PWD DAC and will be very sad to see it go as it is one of the best unit I have had over the years in my various gear and was not going to sell it, But when I heard that Devialet is coming out with more options I couldn't resist. This is will also simplify my setup further as I live in a condo.
I am hoping the DAC portion of the Devialet is at least as good as the PWD. Also the PS Audio forum is very huge and very active and I am wondering why Devialet being such an Avant-garde company, don't have any active forum on their website. I also wish they changed the layout as it almost looks like a advertisement site instead of an audio company!
Just wanted to say hi and hope to be around a lot more on this forum!
Previous to the D-Premier, I was a Linn man which is only through Ethernet. Linn, like Naim, have their own apps which I never had dropouts through. I can't understand why Devialet doesn't do the same. Just adapt the mobile apps to desktop and laptops. If the sound quality was the same, I'd go back but the D-Premier is superior so I'm willing to work out the idiosyncrasies.
The Linn had no dropouts, it's true , but there were other problems like the poor interaction between Asset and Kinsky. The Weiss Man301 also suffered from dropouts until recent revisions. I think it is the Linn's long buffering time which helps.
No going back to Linn DS
I also had a Linn DS before the D-Premier. Linn is very much hooked on PC and Windows while I was running a Mac and an iPad as control point. Using the Mac together with the various apps on the iPad and the ethernet-connected DS was a nightmare. Regularly I spent 10 to 15 minutes for troubleshooting the various connections before I could listen to music. Terrible! It was a great relief when I changed the DS gear to a D-Premier.
I also had a Linn DS before the D-Premier. Linn is very much hooked on PC and Windows while I was running a Mac and an iPad as control point. Using the Mac together with the various apps on the iPad and the ethernet-connected DS was a nightmare. Regularly I spent 10 to 15 minutes for troubleshooting the various connections before I could listen to music. Terrible! It was a great relief when I changed the DS gear to a D-Premier.
Thanks oelli, so let's hope for this to be the case, and assume that Air2.1 does process in a "bit perfect" way...
No, to my current understanding the Devialet receives the "un-attenuated" full bit information from Air2, as long as the iTunes volume is turned to Max (!). Volume control should then be processed inside the Devialet. Since with Air2 the Devialet is acting as the Mac's soundcard, the Mac's volume control is linked to the Devialet's, and (hopefully...) only changes the Devialet volume control (which I actually find convenient at times...)
So this should not stand in the way of bit-perfect streaming.
You will notice that when pushing the Mac Volume +/ - buttons, the volume sliders in the Mac Audio-Midi interface and the volume display on the Devialet are moving in sync (up to - 12db).
What's more, I noticed that this connection remains intact even when the Devialet runs on any of the other wired digital or analog inputs. So, when my kids are watching TV, I can use the Mac and Air2 to turn down their volume - pure magic!
Just curious if anyone has given this a thought. Looking at the specs for 170 vs 240 it seems the internals are same except the power ratings and the daisy chain capabilities of the 240. Since the class d amp module sits on a separate board on top of the main board, I am thinking if the 170 amp module could be swapped out with a 240 amp module and increase the power in such a way. Am sure the power supply is the same as per the Devialet specs on their site, so that's not an issue either.
The golden question is if they would sell the power module/board (class d amp) on its own or try and source it from a dealer. Maybe a distant possibility or just a dream!!
The golden question is if they would sell the power module/board (class d amp) on its own or try and source it from a dealer. Maybe a distant possibility or just a dream!!
The cases are different sizes. The 240 (and the 500) is the same case as the D-Premier (and the Dual-Mono). The 110 and 170 are the same size (length, width) as the 240 etc., but slightly slimmer than the more expensive or earlier models.
Furthermore, the "window" design on the top of the unit is different (240/500/earlier v 110/170).
So I suspect it is not straightforward.
The cases are different yes, but the internal is same. The cost to manufacture the curved case is more than the straight one in 110 & 170, that's why only the curvature in the 240 makes the case slightly thicker. The window has nothing to do with this as the class d module is not sitting under the window. The window is just a feature they have kept to make this model look different and same as the d-premier, also since the 110 and 170 does wireless without a window.
It clearly states on their website the specs are same except the power rating and daisy chaining. They state the power supply and other boards are identical. Given manufacturing costs and the savings every company will simplify their design and use same parts as much as possible and I am 100% sure they have identical main boards and layout inside the 170 and 240, that is the reason the power supply is also the same, if you see the comparison on the Devialet site you will notice the power supply and processor is different in the 110. I am willing to open my 170 unit when it comes and post pictures. I am quiet confident the class d module can be swapped.
I'm puzzled as to why you would want to disembowel a product recognized for its elegant and highly admired technology. The big idea from Devialet is to offer an alternative route to auditory--and musical--excellence. The whole in a well-executed design exceeds the catalogue of its parts.
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What is the puzzle, taking of 5 or more screws to look at the inside is hardly disemboweling a product. End no of people take their equipment cover off to admire the inside in every forum and reviews you will see such pictures!!
I should have quoted your earlier speculation about swapping out, as you put it, modules from one Devialet to another. I doubt a high-end manufacturer would be interested in supplying nervous tweakers with diversions. The appeal of a Devialet is that, within the confines of its price and size, it's as good as it can be. Don't expect a parts for the hobbyist section on the Devialet page.
No different than modifying any other audio components, which endless number of people do to their amps, cd players, speakers etc. No different than buying a computer and upgrading the RAM, swapping the cpu out to make it more powerful. There are a lot of companies like ModWright who modify audio components to sound better and DYI's who tweak audio systems. We are not talking about nervous tweakers, we are talking about someone who is comfortable working on electronics. Yes I do agree that Devialet themselves would be very reluctant to supply the module to do a swap even if it was possible, it would be detrimental to their business and profit levels. There are many audio equipment which are many times more expensive than the devialet, which I have had in my system, so in that way the devialet is just another audio equipment, not rocket science. A lot of people like me are not afraid to modify our equipment given the possibility, otherwise there would not be DIY companies or forums catering to such people. I don't know why you insist on putting Devialet in such a high pedestal, when there are 100's of audio components 10 times more expensive than Devialet.
Perhaps you should reconsider what I meant by the phrase "within the confines of its price and size". Enjoy your non-rocket science endeavors. I, for one, will put on a favorite album and forget this conversation.
And, in any event, not that this was the suggestion of the OP, Devialet are not going to give anyone a route to getting a 240 by buying a 170 and then the requisite 240 board without that, in total, costing more than the 240 as new. But it just won't happen at all, IMHO.
Cat3600, just enjoy your 170 then upgrade later if you feel the need for more power. If you don't need the extra power I suspect the 170 is the more effective purchase.
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I have the opportunity to pick up a demo d-premiere for a little more than the price of a 170. I'm really interested in the USB and ethernet in the 170 so I would likely upgrade the d-premiere when it becomes available. Not that it's a deal breaker but I do like the look of the 170 more than the d-premiere.
Does anyone have an opinion on which one I should get?
Does anyone have an opinion on which one I should get?
I agree that the new straight lines of the 170 is nicer looking than the 240, it looks cleaner. I think lets wait for the review coming out this month on the 170 in one of the audio magazine, where they compare it to the older d-premier. Devialet themselves have said the board, power supply and the processor is better than the older d-premier. If you really can pick up the d-premier for the same price, for me it would be a 50/50 option as we wont know how much better the new refinements are, as they had around more than 3 years to refine the design, or tweak it since the first launh of the d-premier.
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