US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong
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Yes i will take a bet on Bolt ..
Has bolt tested positive , err No , Did Indurain test positive , No! Any other country on this planet this would have been an non-issue , retro-actively squashed for doping in a sport full of dopers ..
Do You think the Spanish or worst the Jamaicans are going to unnecessarily tear down their athletes for suspected past malfeasance , i don't think so ...
Maybe one day our athletes will be given the same accord as our corrupt politicians, i dont give a rats ping pong if lance smoked , doped, snorted , raced and then went off and paid millions in taxes , let them police themselves, I do care about government over reach and this one stinks ...
Yes i will take a bet on Bolt ..
Has bolt tested positive , err No , Did Indurain test positive , No! Any other country on this planet this would have been an non-issue , retro-actively squashed for doping in a sport full of dopers ..
Do You think the Spanish or worst the Jamaicans are going to unnecessarily tear down their athletes for suspected past malfeasance , i don't think so ...
Maybe one day our athletes will be given the same accord as our corrupt politicians, i dont give a rats ping pong if lance smoked , doped, snorted , raced and then went off and paid millions in taxes , let them police themselves, I do care about government over reach and this one stinks ...
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Government over reach?????
So, I'm guessing you have no problem with Lance or for that matter Marion Jones or Ben Johnson, or anyone else so long as they don't get caught, right?
To insinuate that I'm ok with athlete's doping because I'm against Government abuse of power is intellectually dishonest, because i have never advocated such a position and seeing how concerned you about convicting dopers , Obama is an admitted doper , he has confessed to snorting and smoking illegal substances in the past , are you going to pull him out of the white house and charge him, how is his situation different from athletes using a ban substance ...
The Hyprocracy of our government is only surpassed by their desire for bounty ...
The Hyprocracy of our government is only surpassed by their desire for bounty ...
A.Wayne, I think you should look to your signature line. BTW, can you tell me what you consider to be an example of how government doesn't abuse its power..
Your Obama example is asinine.
Your Obama example is asinine.
Asinine ,
That's some serious Irony , first you accuse me of supporting doping in sports and now I'm asinine to point out the Hyprocracy of Obama's admitted and documented use of illegal drugs ...
Yeah ....
That's some serious Irony , first you accuse me of supporting doping in sports and now I'm asinine to point out the Hyprocracy of Obama's admitted and documented use of illegal drugs ...
Yeah ....
Maybe I'm naive. Being the cycling enthusiast I am I watched almost all of all seven TdF on the OLN and later Versus networks. He had the best team, best tactics, best equipment and best drugs. Maybe he's right if you want to win you have to dope.
Is that an illegal enhancing substance, drug?
* Back in the 1800s aspirin was an illegal drug in race cycling. ...I think.
One thing to remember. They could give us all the drugs we wanted and it's likely we still wouldn't be world class cyclists
IOC VP: Armstrong must tell 'whole truth'
By STEPHEN WILSON, AP
LONDON (AP) — Lance Armstrong's doping confession to Oprah Winfrey was ``too little, too late'' and failed to provide any new information that will help clean up the sport he tarnished through years of cheating, the vice president of the IOC said Friday.
A day after stripping Armstrong of his bronze medal from the 2000 Sydney Olympics, the IOC urged the disgraced former Tour de France champion to supply details to anti-doping authorities in order to ``bring an end to this dark episode.''
In an interview with The Associated Press, IOC vice president Thomas Bach said Armstrong's admission to Winfrey that he used performance-enhancing drugs - after years of vehement denials -was not enough.
``If he thinks this interview would help him get credibility back, I think this is too little, too late,'' said Bach, a German lawyer who leads the IOC's anti-doping investigations. ``It's a first step in the right direction, but no more.
``If he really loves his sport and wants to regain at least some credibility, then he should tell the whole truth and cooperate with the relevant sports bodies.''
Armstrong is under pressure to come clean to the World Anti-Doping Agency, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and the independent commission set up the International Cycling Union.
``We have three sports bodies he can address,'' Bach said by telephone. ``He needs to give testimony under oath. After lying for more than a dozen years, he needs to be questioned by experts and not just in a well-orchestrated interview.''
In a statement from Lausanne, Switzerland, the IOC said: ``We now urge Armstrong to present all the evidence he has to the appropriate anti-doping authorities so that we can bring an end to this dark episode and move forward, stronger and cleaner.''
In the interview with Winfrey, Armstrong acknowledged that he used EPO, testosterone, human growth hormone and blood transfusions in order to win the Tour de France seven times.
``This is not enough,'' said Bach, who is a leading contender to succeed Jacques Rogge as IOC president in elections in September. ``I hoped he would be more precise, that you would get an idea of who were the people behind him. He's even protected the famous Dr. Ferrari.''
Bach was referring to Italian doctor Michele Ferrari, who worked closely with Armstrong and has been accused of being a mastermind of the cyclist's doping program.
``In some parts of the interview he was pretty evasive, in some parts contradicting himself,'' Bach said.
Bach said the interview offered no information beyond the USADA report that detailed widespread doping by Armstrong and his teammates and led to the stripping of his Tour titles and a lifetime ban from Olympic sports.
``We have no new facts - not a single new fact going beyond the USADA report,'' Bach said.
Armstrong denied in the interview that cycling body UCI covered up positive tests or helped him avoid detection.
Bach said the interview provided no allegations that would put cycling's Olympic status in jeopardy. Senior Canadian IOC member Dick Pound, a former head of WADA, suggested this week that cycling could be kicked out of the Olympics if there was proof of UCI collusion with Armstrong.
``I still hope for a full inquiry, but in general, you have to consider the anti-doping system since then has changed very much for the better,'' Bach said. ``The UCI has introduced the blood passport, there is more target testing and out-of-competition testing and better methods for detecting EPO. You cannot draw conclusions from 10 years ago.''
In Lausanne, the IOC said it ``unreservedly condemns'' the actions of Armstrong and all drug cheats.
``This is indeed a very sad day for sport but there is a positive side if these revelations can begin to draw a line under previous practices,'' the statement said. ``It is the IOC's firm expectation that all parties involved will draw the necessary lessons from this case and continue to take all measures to ensure a level playing field for all athletes.''
By STEPHEN WILSON, AP
LONDON (AP) — Lance Armstrong's doping confession to Oprah Winfrey was ``too little, too late'' and failed to provide any new information that will help clean up the sport he tarnished through years of cheating, the vice president of the IOC said Friday.
A day after stripping Armstrong of his bronze medal from the 2000 Sydney Olympics, the IOC urged the disgraced former Tour de France champion to supply details to anti-doping authorities in order to ``bring an end to this dark episode.''
In an interview with The Associated Press, IOC vice president Thomas Bach said Armstrong's admission to Winfrey that he used performance-enhancing drugs - after years of vehement denials -was not enough.
``If he thinks this interview would help him get credibility back, I think this is too little, too late,'' said Bach, a German lawyer who leads the IOC's anti-doping investigations. ``It's a first step in the right direction, but no more.
``If he really loves his sport and wants to regain at least some credibility, then he should tell the whole truth and cooperate with the relevant sports bodies.''
Armstrong is under pressure to come clean to the World Anti-Doping Agency, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and the independent commission set up the International Cycling Union.
``We have three sports bodies he can address,'' Bach said by telephone. ``He needs to give testimony under oath. After lying for more than a dozen years, he needs to be questioned by experts and not just in a well-orchestrated interview.''
In a statement from Lausanne, Switzerland, the IOC said: ``We now urge Armstrong to present all the evidence he has to the appropriate anti-doping authorities so that we can bring an end to this dark episode and move forward, stronger and cleaner.''
In the interview with Winfrey, Armstrong acknowledged that he used EPO, testosterone, human growth hormone and blood transfusions in order to win the Tour de France seven times.
``This is not enough,'' said Bach, who is a leading contender to succeed Jacques Rogge as IOC president in elections in September. ``I hoped he would be more precise, that you would get an idea of who were the people behind him. He's even protected the famous Dr. Ferrari.''
Bach was referring to Italian doctor Michele Ferrari, who worked closely with Armstrong and has been accused of being a mastermind of the cyclist's doping program.
``In some parts of the interview he was pretty evasive, in some parts contradicting himself,'' Bach said.
Bach said the interview offered no information beyond the USADA report that detailed widespread doping by Armstrong and his teammates and led to the stripping of his Tour titles and a lifetime ban from Olympic sports.
``We have no new facts - not a single new fact going beyond the USADA report,'' Bach said.
Armstrong denied in the interview that cycling body UCI covered up positive tests or helped him avoid detection.
Bach said the interview provided no allegations that would put cycling's Olympic status in jeopardy. Senior Canadian IOC member Dick Pound, a former head of WADA, suggested this week that cycling could be kicked out of the Olympics if there was proof of UCI collusion with Armstrong.
``I still hope for a full inquiry, but in general, you have to consider the anti-doping system since then has changed very much for the better,'' Bach said. ``The UCI has introduced the blood passport, there is more target testing and out-of-competition testing and better methods for detecting EPO. You cannot draw conclusions from 10 years ago.''
In Lausanne, the IOC said it ``unreservedly condemns'' the actions of Armstrong and all drug cheats.
``This is indeed a very sad day for sport but there is a positive side if these revelations can begin to draw a line under previous practices,'' the statement said. ``It is the IOC's firm expectation that all parties involved will draw the necessary lessons from this case and continue to take all measures to ensure a level playing field for all athletes.''
I was watching her in awe, but in the back of my mind I couldn't help but think she was also doped; I am still not convinced she wasn't.
-- I, too, also strongly believe that Lance should reveal all the dirty tricks in the drug programs so that the sport can regain its ethics, credentials.
Lance now has a chance to do good for once in his lifetime. ...Only by revealing the entire truth on the undercover ups, to the right sport organizations, that Lance Armstrong can rebuild his life positively, and end up on a higher note in the annals of sport cycling history.
It's right there in front of him, ready to grab; he has that exceptional choice, the chance of a lifetime to do real good for the sport, and all that jazz.
That's what I deeply think.
Lance now has a chance to do good for once in his lifetime. ...Only by revealing the entire truth on the undercover ups, to the right sport organizations, that Lance Armstrong can rebuild his life positively, and end up on a higher note in the annals of sport cycling history.
It's right there in front of him, ready to grab; he has that exceptional choice, the chance of a lifetime to do real good for the sport, and all that jazz.
That's what I deeply think.
I couldn't agree with anyone more than with you. Very well written and well said, +1+1+1
Don't you understand that he can't? If people in the UIC were found complicit, cycling could be removed as an Olympic sport. Nice legacy.
-- Thank you Peter.
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* If the UIC is part of the collusion, then the world (us, our kids, the kids of our kids) have the right to know and to rebuild right this time.
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* If the UIC is part of the collusion, then the world (us, our kids, the kids of our kids) have the right to know and to rebuild right this time.
That would mean financial suicide for the IOC. The sport is too big...it'll not happen. Good luck trying to negotiate the next TV contracts.
John cycling is hardly a major Olympic sport.
Gymnastics
Track and Field
Boxing
Swimming and Diving
Basketball
Soccer
John cycling is hardly a major Olympic sport.
Maybe not here, but surely in Europe it is.
John cycling is hardly a major Olympic sport.
Gymnastics
Track and Field
Boxing
Swimming and Diving
Basketball
Soccer
I follow soccer pretty extensively and never has IOC soccer been considered much of a draw to those that follow it.
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