US Anti-Doping Agency charges Armstrong
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One thing I do know for sure..IF Lance was doping ( and it sure seems like he was), he was doing one hell of a good job of it..just like the little girl from China.
Like I said before..
---O.J. Simpson was acquitted for lack of evidence. Is that make him an angel?
Should he play golf outside or inside?
Should he play golf outside or inside?
-----But is he innocent, through your own eyes?
And the same question is valid for Lance too.
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What happens in a court of law is very different sometimes than the true reality!
Money is a corruptor in our legal justice system, but real life is just that; true facts!
Wow Bob, you seem to have quite the mob mentality when it comes to evidence that in your mind should convict, yet no physical proof, like blood/dna. I think alot of innocent people on death row in our country were convicted with that very same thought process...circumstantial evidence.
-----Christian, don't read more than there is to it.
It's O.J. and Lance we're talkin' 'bout here. I am free to convict them in my own mind.
As for the innocent people who were wrongly convicted and executed before, it is man who created his own system, and it is up to him to fix it!
You are entitled to have your own opinion based on your own rules of ethics, or beliefs.
No one has ever said before that this world is an easy place to live on.
* "Mob mentality"; perhaps you need one sometimes. ...To adapt.
It's O.J. and Lance we're talkin' 'bout here. I am free to convict them in my own mind.
As for the innocent people who were wrongly convicted and executed before, it is man who created his own system, and it is up to him to fix it!
You are entitled to have your own opinion based on your own rules of ethics, or beliefs.
No one has ever said before that this world is an easy place to live on.
* "Mob mentality"; perhaps you need one sometimes. ...To adapt.
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You are free to hold whateve opimiom you desire,
in order to deprive someone of life, liberty or property you must follow the conxtitution. That means the presumptiom of innocence and double jeopardy.
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I have read some articles on the NY Times about Armstrong and they paint an unflattering picture of the person and his involvement in doping. This is very damaging to his reputation, his legacy and even his livelihood. If he is remotely innocent (I have my strong doubts about that now) can't he at least sue for slander? or something similar? The case against him is being made stronger when a paper like the Times write so many unflattering articles about the man and his character that you would think it would be time (not pun intended) for LA to at least react. Is that the behavior or strategy of an innocent person? Just standing and let them pile on me becasue in my heart I am innocent? Allow me to have my strong doubts about his innocence .. His silence is to me, a non-expert, a person not versed in the subtleties of the Law and of the strange field of Public Relation, more than suspect. Too many teammates have come to the front and accuse him. There ought to be a response for his camp ...
I have read some articles on the NY Times about Armstrong and they paint an unflattering picture of the person and his involvement in doping. This is very damaging to his reputation, his legacy and even his livelihood. If he is remotely innocent (I have my strong doubts about that now) can't he at least sue for slander? or something similar? The case against him is being made stronger when a paper like the Times write so many unflattering articles about the man and his character that you would think it would be time (not pun intended) for LA to at least react. Is that the behavior or strategy of an innocent person? Just standing and let them pile on me becasue in my heart I am innocent? Allow me to have my strong doubts about his innocence .. His silence is to me, a non-expert, a person not versed in the subtleties of the Law and of the strange field of Public Relation, more than suspect. Too many teammates have come to the front and accuse him. There ought to be a response for his camp ...
To say that LA has been silent on this issue is wrong. Those who say that must have thier head in the sand. The problem is that he has to respond to an endless stream of alternate theories in a endless site of alternate forums. Each of them has a different standard of proof.
Our justice system is designed to prevent that.
The court of public opiniom has no rules.
Public figures have a very high standard of proof when it comes to libel and slander.
Greg
Our justice system is designed to prevent that.
The court of public opiniom has no rules.
Public figures have a very high standard of proof when it comes to libel and slander.
Greg
Armstrong stepping down as Livestrong chairman
By JIM VERTUNO, AP
AUSTIN, Texas — Lance Armstrong stepped down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity and Nike severed ties with him as fallout from the doping scandal swirling around the famed cyclist escalated Wednesday.
Armstrong announced his move at the charity in an early-morning statement. Within minutes, Nike said that it would end its relationship with him "due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade."
Nike said it will continue to support Livestrong.
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency released a massive report last week detailing allegations of widespread doping by Armstrong and his teams when he won the Tour de France seven consecutive times from 1999 to 2005.
The document's purpose was to show why USADA has banned him from cycling for life and ordered 14 years of his career results erased — including those Tour titles. It contains sworn statements from 26 witnesses, including 11 former teammates.
Armstrong, who was not paid a salary as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, will remain on its 15-member board. His duties leading the board will be turned over to vice chairman Jeff Garvey, who was founding chairman in 1997.
"This organization, its mission and its supporters are incredibly dear to my heart," Armstrong said in a statement. "Today therefore, to spare the foundation any negative effects as a result of controversy surrounding my cycling career, I will conclude my chairmanship."
Foundation spokeswoman Katherine McLane said the decision turns over the foundation's big-picture strategic planning to Garvey. He will also assume some of the public appearances and meetings that Armstrong used to handle.
Armstrong strongly denies doping, but did not fight USADA accusations through arbitration, saying he thinks the process is unfair. Once Armstrong gave up the fight in August and the report came out, crisis management experts predicted the future of the foundation, known mainly by its Livestrong brand name, would be threatened. They said Armstrong should consider stepping down to keep the charity from getting dragged into a debate over doping.
Armstrong's inspiring story of not only recovering from testicular cancer that had spread to his lungs and brain but then winning the world's best-known bike race helped his foundation grow from a small operation in Texas into one of the most popular charities in the country.
Armstrong drew legions of fans — and donations — and insisted he was drug free at a time when doping was rampant in professional cycling. In 2004, the foundation introduced the yellow "Livestrong" bracelets, selling more than 80 million and creating a global symbol for cancer awareness and survivorship.
"As my cancer treatment was drawing to an end, I created a foundation to serve people affected by cancer. It has been a great privilege to help grow it from a dream into an organization that today has served 2.5 million people and helped spur a cultural shift in how the world views cancer survivors," Armstrong said.
As chairman, Armstrong did not run the foundation's day-to-day operations, which are handled by Livestrong president and chief executive Doug Ulman.
Ulman had said last week that Armstrong's leadership role would not change. Armstrong's statement said he will remain a visible advocate for cancer issues, and he is expected to speak at Friday night's 15th anniversary gala for Livestrong in Austin.
"My family and I have devoted our lives to the work of the foundation and that will not change. We plan to continue our service to the foundation and the cancer community. We will remain active advocates for cancer survivors and engaged supporters of the fight against cancer," Armstrong said.
CharityWatch, which analyzes the work of approximately 600 charities, lists the foundation among its top-rated organizations. That status normally goes to groups which "generally spend 75 percent or more of their budgets on programs, spend $25 or less to raise $100 in public support, do not hold excessive assets in reserve" and disclose of basic financial information and documents.
Livestrong says it had functional expenses totaling nearly $35.8 million last year and 82 percent of every dollar raised went directly to programs, a total of more than $29.3 million.
The foundation reported a spike in contributions in late August in the days immediately after Armstrong announced he would no longer fight doping charges and officials moved to erase his Tour victories.
Daniel Borochoff, founder and president of Chicago-based CharityWatch, said last week it may take some time for donors to digest the allegations against Armstrong.
"Individuals that admire and support an individual who is later found out to be severely tarnished, don't want to admit it, don't want to admit that they've been duped," Borochoff said. "People, though, do need to trust a charity.
By JIM VERTUNO, AP
AUSTIN, Texas — Lance Armstrong stepped down as chairman of his Livestrong cancer-fighting charity and Nike severed ties with him as fallout from the doping scandal swirling around the famed cyclist escalated Wednesday.
Armstrong announced his move at the charity in an early-morning statement. Within minutes, Nike said that it would end its relationship with him "due to the seemingly insurmountable evidence that Lance Armstrong participated in doping and misled Nike for more than a decade."
Nike said it will continue to support Livestrong.
The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency released a massive report last week detailing allegations of widespread doping by Armstrong and his teams when he won the Tour de France seven consecutive times from 1999 to 2005.
The document's purpose was to show why USADA has banned him from cycling for life and ordered 14 years of his career results erased — including those Tour titles. It contains sworn statements from 26 witnesses, including 11 former teammates.
Armstrong, who was not paid a salary as chairman of the Lance Armstrong Foundation, will remain on its 15-member board. His duties leading the board will be turned over to vice chairman Jeff Garvey, who was founding chairman in 1997.
"This organization, its mission and its supporters are incredibly dear to my heart," Armstrong said in a statement. "Today therefore, to spare the foundation any negative effects as a result of controversy surrounding my cycling career, I will conclude my chairmanship."
Foundation spokeswoman Katherine McLane said the decision turns over the foundation's big-picture strategic planning to Garvey. He will also assume some of the public appearances and meetings that Armstrong used to handle.
Armstrong strongly denies doping, but did not fight USADA accusations through arbitration, saying he thinks the process is unfair. Once Armstrong gave up the fight in August and the report came out, crisis management experts predicted the future of the foundation, known mainly by its Livestrong brand name, would be threatened. They said Armstrong should consider stepping down to keep the charity from getting dragged into a debate over doping.
Armstrong's inspiring story of not only recovering from testicular cancer that had spread to his lungs and brain but then winning the world's best-known bike race helped his foundation grow from a small operation in Texas into one of the most popular charities in the country.
Armstrong drew legions of fans — and donations — and insisted he was drug free at a time when doping was rampant in professional cycling. In 2004, the foundation introduced the yellow "Livestrong" bracelets, selling more than 80 million and creating a global symbol for cancer awareness and survivorship.
"As my cancer treatment was drawing to an end, I created a foundation to serve people affected by cancer. It has been a great privilege to help grow it from a dream into an organization that today has served 2.5 million people and helped spur a cultural shift in how the world views cancer survivors," Armstrong said.
As chairman, Armstrong did not run the foundation's day-to-day operations, which are handled by Livestrong president and chief executive Doug Ulman.
Ulman had said last week that Armstrong's leadership role would not change. Armstrong's statement said he will remain a visible advocate for cancer issues, and he is expected to speak at Friday night's 15th anniversary gala for Livestrong in Austin.
"My family and I have devoted our lives to the work of the foundation and that will not change. We plan to continue our service to the foundation and the cancer community. We will remain active advocates for cancer survivors and engaged supporters of the fight against cancer," Armstrong said.
CharityWatch, which analyzes the work of approximately 600 charities, lists the foundation among its top-rated organizations. That status normally goes to groups which "generally spend 75 percent or more of their budgets on programs, spend $25 or less to raise $100 in public support, do not hold excessive assets in reserve" and disclose of basic financial information and documents.
Livestrong says it had functional expenses totaling nearly $35.8 million last year and 82 percent of every dollar raised went directly to programs, a total of more than $29.3 million.
The foundation reported a spike in contributions in late August in the days immediately after Armstrong announced he would no longer fight doping charges and officials moved to erase his Tour victories.
Daniel Borochoff, founder and president of Chicago-based CharityWatch, said last week it may take some time for donors to digest the allegations against Armstrong.
"Individuals that admire and support an individual who is later found out to be severely tarnished, don't want to admit it, don't want to admit that they've been duped," Borochoff said. "People, though, do need to trust a charity.
As it did with Joe Paterno, Nike removed Armstrong's name from a building on its campus.
Apple loses tablet copyright appeal against Samsung
By Stephen Eisenhammer-Reuters
(Reuters) - Apple has lost its appeal against a ruling that cleared rival Samsung of copying its registered designs for tablet computers, in a decision which could end the two firms' legal dispute on the subject across Europe.
The world's two leading smartphone makers are fighting over patents, both for smartphones and for tablets like Apple's iPad, in courts around the world.
Britain's Court of Appeal on Thursday upheld the country's High Court judgment that, despite some similarities, Samsung's Galaxy tablet did not infringe Apple's designs, in part because its products were "not as cool".
The decision is valid throughout Europe and should prohibit further legal disputes between the two companies over the design of tablets in the region.
South Korea's Samsung welcomed the decision saying in a statement: "We continue to believe that Apple was not the first to design a tablet with a rectangular shape and rounded corners".
Apple declined to comment on the decision.
The U.S. company has been instructed to run advertisements saying Samsung did not copy its registered tablet designs, both on its website and in selected newspapers.
Apple can appeal to the Supreme Court.
"I expect this will be the end of the line. An appeal to the Supreme Court is in principle possible but there has been no indication so far that Apple plan such an appeal", Darren Smyth partner at EIP, a specialist intellectual property law firm, told Reuters.
"For the design of tablets in Europe this should be the final word."
By Stephen Eisenhammer-Reuters
(Reuters) - Apple has lost its appeal against a ruling that cleared rival Samsung of copying its registered designs for tablet computers, in a decision which could end the two firms' legal dispute on the subject across Europe.
The world's two leading smartphone makers are fighting over patents, both for smartphones and for tablets like Apple's iPad, in courts around the world.
Britain's Court of Appeal on Thursday upheld the country's High Court judgment that, despite some similarities, Samsung's Galaxy tablet did not infringe Apple's designs, in part because its products were "not as cool".
The decision is valid throughout Europe and should prohibit further legal disputes between the two companies over the design of tablets in the region.
South Korea's Samsung welcomed the decision saying in a statement: "We continue to believe that Apple was not the first to design a tablet with a rectangular shape and rounded corners".
Apple declined to comment on the decision.
The U.S. company has been instructed to run advertisements saying Samsung did not copy its registered tablet designs, both on its website and in selected newspapers.
Apple can appeal to the Supreme Court.
"I expect this will be the end of the line. An appeal to the Supreme Court is in principle possible but there has been no indication so far that Apple plan such an appeal", Darren Smyth partner at EIP, a specialist intellectual property law firm, told Reuters.
"For the design of tablets in Europe this should be the final word."
---...Steve, definitely the wrong thread!
* Lance Armstrong is a true hero! He did the right thing in stepping down; the true sign of a real man with integrity and dignity.
What did he contribute to our society at the end?
...Money for Cancer research, Cultural hero (with still a lot of supporters), realization of our true life's values, and much more.
What are we now truly learning?
...Rape is not so bad afterall (if it's legit!), cheating on your wife and lying ain't bad either in America, politics and religions are taboos, drugs are OK if controled and undetected, big money companies are the true leaders of education in our system, and that the more you are in the limelight the more you must be doing some' good! ...Or unless you are a hardcore ....
...With the news media's help. ...And the Internet. ...And the real life's truth. ...And the world we live in now.
*** Very very very rare that I use that last emoticon (perhaps the first time ever)!
* Lance Armstrong is a true hero! He did the right thing in stepping down; the true sign of a real man with integrity and dignity.
What did he contribute to our society at the end?
...Money for Cancer research, Cultural hero (with still a lot of supporters), realization of our true life's values, and much more.
What are we now truly learning?
...Rape is not so bad afterall (if it's legit!), cheating on your wife and lying ain't bad either in America, politics and religions are taboos, drugs are OK if controled and undetected, big money companies are the true leaders of education in our system, and that the more you are in the limelight the more you must be doing some' good! ...Or unless you are a hardcore ....
...With the news media's help. ...And the Internet. ...And the real life's truth. ...And the world we live in now.
*** Very very very rare that I use that last emoticon (perhaps the first time ever)!
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What are we now truly learning?
...Rape is not so bad afterall (if it's legit!), cheating on your wife and lying ain't bad either in America, politics and religions are taboos, drugs are OK if controled and undetected, big money companies are the true leaders of education in our system, and that the more you are in the limelight the more you must be doing some' good! ...Or unless you are a hardcore ....
...With the news media's help. ...And the Internet. ...And the real life's truth. ...And the world we live in now.
Other than your first point about rape, you nailed it. Sodom and Gomorrah got nothing on us
Other than your first point about rape, you nailed it. Sodom and Gomorrah got nothing on us
-----I simply added the 'rape' thing because one, Kobe, and second, "legit rape" as mentioned before by that Republican politician on public television.
Yes, rape is real bad; but funny how some people luv to play with it, and even rape young childrens! It is truly sick, and rape is similar to lying, or killing, or robbing, ...
Rape has many meanings. ...Not just sexual and emotional; but the entire justice system in the world! ...Man's real guts! ...His true showing, revelator of his deepest and not so deep real himself! ...And how the rest of the world is reacting to it! ...Rape of nature, rape of our positive values, rape of our forests, rape of people, rape of our economy, rape of ourselves!
But I forgot to add that 47% of the Americans simply don't care anyway as their mind is already made up!
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-----But I forgot to add that 47% of the Americans simply don't care anyway as their mind is already made!
WAY more than 47% have already made up their mind !!
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