A New Chapter; ordered a set of Trafomatic Elysium amps and Tara 30A preamp

Mike Lavigne

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I have been a tube guy with 'touch of tubes' solid state amps and preamp for 20 years. Possibly taken that as far as i can. Loved my time with it. Those paying attention know i have flirted with tube amps, and even gave serious thought to horns. Very serious thought. A few weeks ago i completed an amplifier compare and had not given thought to any further changes. The only issue on my mind was possibly selling my home and downsizing, which likely would drive me to somehow change speakers....the MM7's being too big for many rooms.

Gary Leeds, the Trafomatic importer, who i've known for 20+ years and been to my room a few times, called me and wondered if i wanted to try his new Trafomatic Elysian GM70 amps he had coming. they would arrive in a few weeks and he could have them routed to me. i told him i don't think so as i was not in the mood to do another compare, but he said he did not expect me to buy them, just wanted me to hear them. So i told him i would think it over, it's a lot of messing around, and would call him back. thinking about it i realized that Trafomatic was the brand with the big Elysium's i had lusted after for years. an SET with balls that could likely work not only on my MM7's, but also on horns. i had read everything about them, read Kedar's comments a few times, and my friend Mik in the UK owned them and loved them. but none existed in the Western Hemisphere. so i went back and did some more research and then called Gary back. told him if i was going to do anything, it would be with the big Elysium's. we talked about me trading in the darTZeel's. Gary offered to investigate that direction, which he did, and that direction did not work out after some efforts. in the meantime i did look much deeper about the amps, talked to Kedar about horns and SET's, talked to Mik about his Elysium's and thought it over.

why was i enamored with the Trafomatic Elysium's? blame it on my time with the Lamm ML3's SET's in my room. that was the sound that grabbed me, i loved SET bass. and they were cohesive on the MM7's and very natural. just that 32 tube watts could not quite get over the hump in my room on my speakers. but the Elysium's have more drive and could do it. and everything i had read and heard was that it had that magical quality. and once triggered my sense was i was at that fork in the road, ready to go to a new chapter of my system direction. i would give up some precision on larger music, and trade that for more speed inside the notes, more sexiness, a more special sound. more distortion when i pushed it, but more immersive on most of the music. my darts almost never pull more than 2 or 3 watts on my MM7's, so Class A 20 watts and A1 20-70 watts......should be good. ideally i could hear them first in my system, but no way to do that. had to close my eyes and commit to get them.

i had not been familiar with the Trafomatic Tara 30A preamp, based on spring suspended Emission Labs 30A tubes. the more i investigated it i think it's ideal for the Elysium. read what was out there and Mik has it and loves it. he recommended the high gain tubes for it. it's a beautiful piece, with a two box chassis.

as far as tubes, i will be buying a second complete set of tubes from Sasa, and then buying a third pair of the big EIMAC 250TL's. so i am covered long term as those are scarce. there are units with the same EIMAC tubes now for 7 years and there have been no failures with that tube. the big tubes have a 10,000 hour life, but i listen a lot.

once i felt like this was something i wanted to do, i did step back and consider alternatives. but not that many tube SET's that can handle my speakers. the Wavac 833 variants is one, the Alieno 250 LTD another. for various reasons those did not offer enough reasons to change, but if those were my first choice, maybe not enough reasons not to change from those either. i'm sure all three are good choices for my case.

i decided to proceed and order the Elysium and Tara 30A. delivery should be late March into April. Gary is loaning me a set of Westminster's until they arrive. my dart 468's are sold. i still need to sell my two phono stage dart NHB-18NS preamp, and my 7.5 meter set of Evolution Acoustics 'zeel' BNC's. i did add a grounding post to each Elysium back panel for my Tripoint grounding boxes since the chassis are tankwood (panzerholtz). the Elysium dimensions fit exactly on my TS-140 Tana/Herzan active devices. the main chassis of the Tara 30A will go on my top rack shelf on my smaller Tana/Herzan platform next to my Esoteric T1.

the provisional colors for placing the order are 'Royal Blue' for the Elysium's and 'Gloss White" for the Tara 30A. i have a few weeks to reconsider those color choices. part of me likes the conservative soft black matt color choice for both. need time to figure it out.

with these new amps, how long will i have my Evolution Acoustics MM7 speakers? horns? if so which one? how about Zellaton?



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I have been a tube guy with 'touch of tubes' solid state amps and preamp for 20 years. Possibly taken that as far as i can. Loved my time with it. Those paying attention know i have flirted with tube amps, and even gave serious thought to horns. Very serious thought. A few weeks ago i completed an amplifier compare and had not given thought to any further changes. The only issue on my mind was possibly selling my home and downsizing, which likely would drive me to somehow change speakers....the MM7's being too big for many rooms.

Gary Leeds, the Trafomatic importer, who i've known for 20+ years and been to my room a few times, called me and wondered if i wanted to try his new Trafomatic Elysiun GM70 amps he had coming. they would arrive in a few weeks and he could have them routed to me. i told him i don't think so as i was not in the mood to do another compare, but he said he did not expect me to buy them, just wanted me to hear them. So i told him i would think it over, it's a lot of messing around, and would call him back. thinking about it i realized that Trafomatic was the brand with the big Elysium's i had lusted after for years. an SET with balls that could likely work not only on my MM7's, but also on horns. i had read everything about them, read Kedar's comments a few times, and my friend Mik in the UK owned them and loved them. but none existed in the Western Hemisphere. so i went back and did some more research and then called Gary back. told him if i was going to do anything, it would be with the big Elysium's. we talked about me trading in the darTZeel's. Gary offered to investigate that direction, which he did, and that direction did not work out after some efforts. in the meantime i did look much deeper about the amps, talked to Kedar about horns and SET's, talked to Mik about his Elysium's and thought it over.

why was i enamored with the Elysium's? blame it on my time with the Lamm ML3's SET's in my room. that was the sound that grabbed me, i loved SET bass. and they were cohesive on the MM7's and very natural. just that 32 tube watts could not quite get over the hump in my room on my speakers. but the Elysium's have more drive and could do it. and everything i had read and heard was that it had that magical quality. and once triggered my sense was i was at that fork in the road, ready to go to a new chapter of my system direction. i would give up some precision on larger music, and trade that for more speed inside the notes, more sexiness, a more special sound. more distortion when i pushed it, but more immersive on most of the music. my darts almost never pull more than 2 or 3 watts on my MM7's, so Class A 20 watts and A1 20-70 watts......should be good. ideally i could hear them first in my system, but no way to do that. had to close my eyes and commit to get them.

i had not been familiar with the Trafomatic Tara 30A preamp, based on spring suspended Emission Labs 30A tubes. the more i investigated it i think it's ideal for the Elysium. read what was out there and Mik has it and loves it. he recommended the high gain tubes for it. it's a beautiful piece, with a two box chassis.

as far as tubes, i will be buying a second complete set of tubes from Sasa, and then buying a third pair of the big EIMAC 250TL's. so i am covered long term as those are scarce. there are units with the same EIMAC tubes now for 7 years and there have been no failures with that tube. the big tubes have a 10,000 hour life, but i listen a lot.

once i felt like this was something i wanted to do, i did step back and consider alternatives. but not that many tube SET's that can handle my speakers. the Wavac 833 variants is one, the Alieno 250 LTD another. for various reasons those did not offer enough reasons to change, but if those were my first choice, maybe not enough reasons not to change from those either. i'm sure all three are good choices for my case.

i decided to proceed and order the Elysium and Tara 30A. delivery should be late March into April. Gary is loaning me a set of Westminster's until they arrive. my dart 468's are sold. i still need to sell my two phono stage dart NHB-18NS preamp, and my 7.5 meter set of Evolution Acoustics 'zeel' BNC's. i did add a grounding post to each Elysium back panel for my Tripoint grounding boxes since the chassis are tankwood (panzerholtz). the Elysium dimensions fit exactly on my TS-140 Tana/Herzan active devices. the main chassis of the Tara 30A will go on my top rack shelf on my smaller Tana/Herzan platform next to my Esoteric T1.

the provisional colors for placing the order are 'Royal Blue' for the Elysium's and 'Gloss White" for the Tara 30A. i have a few weeks to reconsider those color choices. part of me likes the conservative soft black matt color choice for both. need to time to figure it out.

with these new amps, how long will i have my Evolution Acoustics MM7 speakers? horns? if so which one? how about Zellaton?

https://www.trafomaticaudio.com/products/elysium/?portfolioCats=12

https://www.trafomaticaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/HiFi205-Trafomatic-Elysium.pdf

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Way to go Mike!!….heard a lot of this combo from Mik , he swears by it
Sound and music seems to have got you out off your sonic retirement
Enjoy
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This is big news for you and for Gary and for Saša!

Congratulations on the Elysiums! I'm somewhat familiar with them as my dear friend in The Netherlands has them. I have compared them to Alieno, which I researched extensively a few years ago.

Elysium is not quite enough power for Clarisys, so at one point I seriously considered buying the only (I think) pair of Drinas in existence. In person, to audiophiles, the Elysium is absolutely heart-stopping!

When I first saw the Elysiums at Munich in 2015 on the Tune Audio Avatons I thought I was going to have a heart attack! I have lusted after them ever since!

Back to tubes for you! I am excited for you! Enjoy!
 
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Congratulations on the big news and move to a great sounding tube amp and preamp line!
 
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It's exciting to read this account, and while I do not wish to derail this thread in the slightest, I do want to comment that the extraordinary concierge service Mike received from Gary Leeds is not reserved only for the highest-level systems and clients. My entire system cost about the same as just one of Mike's new amps, yet Gary has been attentive, responsive, courteous, and genuinely caring about making sure that I reach the optimal combination of quality sound and economic reality. It's one thing to have a "contact in the business" who can "make things happen," and something else entirely to know that you can trust someone's ethics as well as their ears and experience. If the HiFi world has an equivalent to a fiduciary, Gary Leeds is it.
 
I have been a tube guy with 'touch of tubes' solid state amps and preamp for 20 years. Possibly taken that as far as i can. Loved my time with it. Those paying attention know i have flirted with tube amps, and even gave serious thought to horns. Very serious thought. A few weeks ago i completed an amplifier compare and had not given thought to any further changes. The only issue on my mind was possibly selling my home and downsizing, which likely would drive me to somehow change speakers....the MM7's being too big for many rooms.

Gary Leeds, the Trafomatic importer, who i've known for 20+ years and been to my room a few times, called me and wondered if i wanted to try his new Trafomatic Elysiun GM70 amps he had coming. they would arrive in a few weeks and he could have them routed to me. i told him i don't think so as i was not in the mood to do another compare, but he said he did not expect me to buy them, just wanted me to hear them. So i told him i would think it over, it's a lot of messing around, and would call him back. thinking about it i realized that Trafomatic was the brand with the big Elysium's i had lusted after for years. an SET with balls that could likely work not only on my MM7's, but also on horns. i had read everything about them, read Kedar's comments a few times, and my friend Mik in the UK owned them and loved them. but none existed in the Western Hemisphere. so i went back and did some more research and then called Gary back. told him if i was going to do anything, it would be with the big Elysium's. we talked about me trading in the darTZeel's. Gary offered to investigate that direction, which he did, and that direction did not work out after some efforts. in the meantime i did look much deeper about the amps, talked to Kedar about horns and SET's, talked to Mik about his Elysium's and thought it over.

why was i enamored with the Elysium's? blame it on my time with the Lamm ML3's SET's in my room. that was the sound that grabbed me, i loved SET bass. and they were cohesive on the MM7's and very natural. just that 32 tube watts could not quite get over the hump in my room on my speakers. but the Elysium's have more drive and could do it. and everything i had read and heard was that it had that magical quality. and once triggered my sense was i was at that fork in the road, ready to go to a new chapter of my system direction. i would give up some precision on larger music, and trade that for more speed inside the notes, more sexiness, a more special sound. more distortion when i pushed it, but more immersive on most of the music. my darts almost never pull more than 2 or 3 watts on my MM7's, so Class A 20 watts and A1 20-70 watts......should be good. ideally i could hear them first in my system, but no way to do that. had to close my eyes and commit to get them.

i had not been familiar with the Trafomatic Tara 30A preamp, based on spring suspended Emission Labs 30A tubes. the more i investigated it i think it's ideal for the Elysium. read what was out there and Mik has it and loves it. he recommended the high gain tubes for it. it's a beautiful piece, with a two box chassis.

as far as tubes, i will be buying a second complete set of tubes from Sasa, and then buying a third pair of the big EIMAC 250TL's. so i am covered long term as those are scarce. there are units with the same EIMAC tubes now for 7 years and there have been no failures with that tube. the big tubes have a 10,000 hour life, but i listen a lot.

once i felt like this was something i wanted to do, i did step back and consider alternatives. but not that many tube SET's that can handle my speakers. the Wavac 833 variants is one, the Alieno 250 LTD another. for various reasons those did not offer enough reasons to change, but if those were my first choice, maybe not enough reasons not to change from those either. i'm sure all three are good choices for my case.

i decided to proceed and order the Elysium and Tara 30A. delivery should be late March into April. Gary is loaning me a set of Westminster's until they arrive. my dart 468's are sold. i still need to sell my two phono stage dart NHB-18NS preamp, and my 7.5 meter set of Evolution Acoustics 'zeel' BNC's. i did add a grounding post to each Elysium back panel for my Tripoint grounding boxes since the chassis are tankwood (panzerholtz). the Elysium dimensions fit exactly on my TS-140 Tana/Herzan active devices. the main chassis of the Tara 30A will go on my top rack shelf on my smaller Tana/Herzan platform next to my Esoteric T1.

the provisional colors for placing the order are 'Royal Blue' for the Elysium's and 'Gloss White" for the Tara 30A. i have a few weeks to reconsider those color choices. part of me likes the conservative soft black matt color choice for both. need to time to figure it out.

with these new amps, how long will i have my Evolution Acoustics MM7 speakers? horns? if so which one? how about Zellaton?

https://www.trafomaticaudio.com/products/elysium/?portfolioCats=12

https://www.trafomaticaudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/HiFi205-Trafomatic-Elysium.pdf

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Big news, Mike. Congratulations. I found the post a bit confusing with the names. Are you getting the big more expensive pair?

David Karmeli had those with their top preamp in his system a year or two ago to directly compare to his top Lamm gear. I guess he did an in-home trial for a month or two. That gear looks massive. Here is a photo for scale.

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Big news, Mike. Congratulations.
thank you Peter, i now join you with an SET.
I found the post a bit confusing with the names. Are you getting the big pair more expensive pair?
yes; i am getting the Elyisum. the more spendy one.

the 'Elyisum' with an 'im' are the big ones, with the EIMAC 250TL tube, the smaller one (a new just introduced model, half the price) is the 'Elysian' with an 'an' with the GM70.

source of the names.....

Key Rivers of Elysium & the Underworld
  • Lethe:
    The River of Forgetfulness; souls drank its waters to forget past lives before entering Elysium or being reborn.

  • Oceanus:
    The great river encircling the world, on whose banks early myths placed the Elysian Fields.
David Karmeli had those with their top preamp in his system a year or two ago to directly compare to the his top Lamm gear. I guess he did an in-home trial for a month or two.
only a few of these amps out there, never been any in North America is what i was told. i see you added a picture now, thanks. so not true. maybe none actually sold to here? do we know if those stayed around here somewhere, or not? 120/60hz or 220/50hz?
 
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It's exciting to read this account, and while I do not wish to derail this thread in the slightest, I do want to comment that the extraordinary concierge service Mike received from Gary Leeds is not reserved only for the highest-level systems and clients. My entire system cost about the same as just one of Mike's new amps, yet Gary has been attentive, responsive, courteous, and genuinely caring about making sure that I reach the optimal combination of quality sound and economic reality. It's one thing to have a "contact in the business" who can "make things happen," and something else entirely to know that you can trust someone's ethics as well as their ears and experience. If the HiFi world has an equivalent to a fiduciary, Gary Leeds is it.
That is one of the greatest endorsements I have ever come across!

Nicely said!
 
WOW. Very excited for you.

I got a little confused reading the initial post. You were offered a pair in 2 weeks to just listen. Instead you ordered them, sound unheard?

Bold move, but I bet you love them. I love tubes myself. Marc just updated his. If you saw my post on crossovers today, in my system, a single tube amp gives more natural real sound than blending it with SS. Just a much and even better bass.

And then you get into a brain full of Keder Crack. HORNS!!!!!!! I hope you go see DDK and listen to what is there. I would love to see his shop myself. Your room could hold a nice horn setup. I was talking to a friend the other day about buying the plans for the Decware Headwrecker single driver, transmission line horn speaker. He just bought a CNC. Cutting the parts would be a one day job on his tool. I love a good horn speaker with the right tube amp. There is something so alive about it. Your MM7 come the closest to that sound I have heard, without being a horn. And without the possible cupped or throated sound. I bet there will be great symmetry

Super excited for you. I look forward to hearing them when you have it all dialed in.
 
thank you Peter, i now join you with an SET.

yes; i am getting the Elyisum. the more spendy one.

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only a few of these amps out there, never been any in North America is what i was told. i see you added a picture now, thanks. so not true. maybe none actually sold to here? do we know if those stayed around here somewhere, or not? 120/60hz or 220/50hz?

Thanks Mike. As far as I know, David requested an audition/trial and was shipped a pair with the pre. He kept them for an extended comparison to his ML3 and LL1 and the sent them back overseas. They did not stay in the US.
 
Thanks Mike. As far as I know, David requested an audition/trial and was shipped a pair with the pre. He kept them for an extended comparison to his ML3 and LL1 and the sent them back overseas. They did not stay in the US.
ok, that adds up and fits with what they told me. appreciate you checking. if there was a set of Elysium's a reasonable distance i would have tried to hear them.
 
WOW. Very excited for you.

I got a little confused reading the initial post. You were offered a pair in 2 weeks to just listen. Instead you ordered them, sound unheard?
Gary initially offered an audition of a different product; a new design, smaller and less costly, using the GM70 tube called the Elysian, not the Elysium with the EIMAC 250TL tube which is what i ordered.
Bold move, but I bet you love them. I love tubes myself. Marc just updated his. If you saw my post on crossovers today, in my system, a single tube amp gives more natural real sound than blending it with SS. Just a much and even better bass.
well, i suppose i agree. but have to wait and see what i think.
And then you get into a brain full of Kedar Crack. HORNS!!!!!!!
one possible way i could go. many moving parts have to fit for me to end up with horns. big issue is selling my current speakers. but having an SET is a big step nearer to it. horns are on my mind.
I hope you go see DDK and listen to what is there. I would love to see his shop myself.
was there in 2016.
Your room could hold a nice horn setup.
no doubt.
i was talking to a friend the other day about buying the plans for the Decware Headwrecker single driver, transmission line horn speaker. He just bought a CNC. Cutting the parts would be a one day job on his tool. I love a good horn speaker with the right tube amp. There is something so alive about it. Your MM7 come the closest to that sound I have heard, without being a horn.
agree. the room and set-up make a big difference. which is why i want to hear these on my speakers and then see where it goes.
And without the possible cupped or throated sound. I bet there will be great symmetry
i have high expectations.
Super excited for you. I look forward to hearing them when you have it all dialed in.
thanks Rex, i'm sure we will have some fun sessions with them. other than break-in, assuming they synergize like the Lamm ML3's, they ought to be plug and play. not expecting to need any system adjustments. will play around with listening position maybe. but the active bass towers should just work as they are. they are tuned for the room, not an individual amp character.
 
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This is great news Mike...congrats! I have spoken for some time with Ricardo at Absolute Sounds UK who has a pair (they are huge!)...and he is enthralled with them. As you probably know, Ricardo created a separate company called Ten where he has a select series of ultra boutique brands. Ten includes Devore, Trafomatic, Dohmann, Metaxis and also Robert Koda.
 
This is great news Mike...congrats!
thanks Lloyd. it was one of those crazy things that happen and you go with it.
I have spoken for some time with Ricardo at Absolute Sounds UK who has a pair (they are huge!)...and he is enthralled with them.
i had heard about that, and it was one of the factors in my comfort with making this commitment. he gets it.
As you probably know, Ricardo created a separate company called Ten where he has a select series of ultra boutique brands. Ten includes Devore, Trafomatic, Dohmann, Metaxis and also Robert Koda.
i know he has high expectations. all those are special products.
 
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thanks Lloyd. it was one of those crazy things that happen and you go with it.

i had heard about that, and it was one of the factors in my comfort with making this commitment. he gets it.

i know he has high expectations. all those are special products.
Just on pure instinct and the few I have spoken with about it...if i did not want high power, pure Class A solid state, I could easily see myself going to Trafomatic Elysium.
 
There is a storm a brewing. Big kerfuffle over tube vs SS coming. Its in the air.
 
Elysian.....Elysium.....huh? what's the difference? confused?

ok, to eliminate confusion on these two Trafomatic products going forward, i figured i would show them both together. the dark red one on the left is the brand new model; the 65 watt GM70 tube Elysian, $85k usd per pair. the soft black on the right is the 70 watt EIMAC 250TL tubed Elysium i am buying, $160k usd per pair. the Elysian on the left is not yet listed on the Trafomatic web site, but here is a link to a WBF post about it. i hope this helps to move on from this question.




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