A New Chapter; ordered a set of Trafomatic Elysium amps and Tara 30A preamp

There is a storm a brewing. Big kerfuffle over tube vs SS coming. Its in the air.
This is a hobby. Mike is a hobbyist. As a hobbyist enjoying his lifelong hobby it seems to me that Mike -- like each one of us -- can do in this hobby whatever he wants, whenever he wants and for whatever reason he wants.

There is no rule against waking up and deciding to explore a different component direction or topology. There is no rule against exploring a long-term curiosity. There is no rule against re-considering and re-embracing an early love.

There is no prohibition on making a researched purchase decision about a component without having heard it. I have done this myself (Siegfried II, MastersounD PF100 Litz). There are other examples of Mike doing this in his long audiophile career.

And don't forget that Mike, I believe, has had some tube component of one kind or another continuously. It's not nearly as dramatically a different direction as if I posted suddenly, for example, that I went 100% CH Precision.
 
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@Mike Lavigne
Thanks for the clarification. A single letter is how I missed it the first time.
I looked at their site last night. I found it interesting all the PP. KT88, 120, 150. And a parallel 300B. Then the flagship single ended. It made me feel good I use a PPKT88/120.

@Ron Resnick
Mike is not the driver behind the storm. Just a sail in it.
 
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Elysian.....Elysium.....huh? what's the difference? confused?

ok, to eliminate confusion on these two Trafomatic products going forward, i figured i would show them both together. the dark red one on the left is the brand new model; the 65 watt GM70 tube Elysian, $85k usd per pair. the soft black on the right is the 70 watt EIMAC 250TL tubed Elysium i am buying, $160k usd per pair. the Elysian on the left is not yet listed on the Trafomatic web site, but here is a link to a WBF post about it. i hope this helps to move on from this question.




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Mike has this spot on. The Elysian was first shown at the Dutch Audio Expo several months ago. Recently, a pair went to Rhapsody in Amsterdam for a more intimate event. The first pair in the US is stuck in customs at LAX but should arrive at our warehouse in Riverside, CA, before the New Year. Their first public appearance is scheduled at the opening of Supreme Acoustics' new showroom in Las Vegas for January 8, 9, and 10, along with the Traqfomatic Tara 30a powering Odeon Carnegie horns. I had listened to the Carnegies' smaller brother, the Semper, at this year's The Show in CA in June and heard something I was pretty taken by despite the shoebox hotel room.

As for the naming and the easy-to-understand confusion about which amplifier is which, I have Mike to thank for his clarity, and I confess I was unsuccessful in getting Sasa to change the name for the introduction here in the US.

At any rate, Mike, thank you for being bold in your decision to purchase these rather ambitious amplifiers, based on your friends' experiences around the world.

As far as the debate between SS and tubes, there are even more viewpoints on push-pull vs. SE designs, horns vs. cones, domes, and panels, that's what we have WBF for. All I am sure of is that life would be rather dull if everyone owned the same thing!
 
As for the naming and the easy-to-understand confusion about which amplifier is which, I have Mike to thank for his clarity, and I confess I was unsuccessful in getting Sasa to change the name for the introduction here in the US.
I knew you would not have endorsed such confusing product-naming!
 
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There is a storm a brewing. Big kerfuffle over tube vs SS coming. Its in the air.
Only if the fans are stirring the air.

Storms and enmity are lifestyle choices.

We can also choose to have civil discussion and debate. I like Gregory Bateson's style: having a conversation of different opinions without the intent to change each other's mind. Rather, exchange information and come to understand each other's position. Just a thought.
 
I knew you would not have endorsed such confusing product-naming
Come on
I would be afraid…very afraid:cool:
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Golum Sasa is a Serbian Teddy Bear, once you know him. He's the rebel with a cause - building the best tube amplifiers on the planet!

I'm hoping to hear the New Elysian monos with the Tobian Signature 12s in February, as they're among my favorite speakers.
 
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Golum Sasa is a Serbian Teddy Bear, once you know him. He's the rebel with a cause - building the best tube amplifiers on the planet!

I'm hoping to hear the New Elysian monos with the Tobian Signature 12s in February, as they're among my favorite speakers.
Trick is that I’m Serbian as well and I know him;):cool:
Looking FW for your opinion on that combo!
 
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Congrats @Mike Lavigne
The beauty of this hobby lies in its versatility that allow us new directions to explore different flavors of sound.
 
I have been a tube guy with 'touch of tubes' solid state amps and preamp for 20 years. Possibly taken that as far as i can. Loved my time with it. Those paying attention know i have flirted with tube amps, and even gave serious thought to horns. Very serious thought. A few weeks ago i completed an amplifier compare and had not given thought to any further changes. The only issue on my mind was possibly selling my home and downsizing, which likely would drive me to somehow change speakers....the MM7's being too big for many rooms.

Gary Leeds, the Trafomatic importer, who i've known for 20+ years and been to my room a few times, called me and wondered if i wanted to try his new Trafomatic Elysian GM70 amps he had coming. they would arrive in a few weeks and he could have them routed to me. i told him i don't think so as i was not in the mood to do another compare, but he said he did not expect me to buy them, just wanted me to hear them. So i told him i would think it over, it's a lot of messing around, and would call him back. thinking about it i realized that Trafomatic was the brand with the big Elysium's i had lusted after for years. an SET with balls that could likely work not only on my MM7's, but also on horns. i had read everything about them, read Kedar's comments a few times, and my friend Mik in the UK owned them and loved them. but none existed in the Western Hemisphere. so i went back and did some more research and then called Gary back. told him if i was going to do anything, it would be with the big Elysium's. we talked about me trading in the darTZeel's. Gary offered to investigate that direction, which he did, and that direction did not work out after some efforts. in the meantime i did look much deeper about the amps, talked to Kedar about horns and SET's, talked to Mik about his Elysium's and thought it over.

why was i enamored with the Trafomatic Elysium's? blame it on my time with the Lamm ML3's SET's in my room. that was the sound that grabbed me, i loved SET bass. and they were cohesive on the MM7's and very natural. just that 32 tube watts could not quite get over the hump in my room on my speakers. but the Elysium's have more drive and could do it. and everything i had read and heard was that it had that magical quality. and once triggered my sense was i was at that fork in the road, ready to go to a new chapter of my system direction. i would give up some precision on larger music, and trade that for more speed inside the notes, more sexiness, a more special sound. more distortion when i pushed it, but more immersive on most of the music. my darts almost never pull more than 2 or 3 watts on my MM7's, so Class A 20 watts and A1 20-70 watts......should be good. ideally i could hear them first in my system, but no way to do that. had to close my eyes and commit to get them.

i had not been familiar with the Trafomatic Tara 30A preamp, based on spring suspended Emission Labs 30A tubes. the more i investigated it i think it's ideal for the Elysium. read what was out there and Mik has it and loves it. he recommended the high gain tubes for it. it's a beautiful piece, with a two box chassis.

as far as tubes, i will be buying a second complete set of tubes from Sasa, and then buying a third pair of the big EIMAC 250TL's. so i am covered long term as those are scarce. there are units with the same EIMAC tubes now for 7 years and there have been no failures with that tube. the big tubes have a 10,000 hour life, but i listen a lot.

once i felt like this was something i wanted to do, i did step back and consider alternatives. but not that many tube SET's that can handle my speakers. the Wavac 833 variants is one, the Alieno 250 LTD another. for various reasons those did not offer enough reasons to change, but if those were my first choice, maybe not enough reasons not to change from those either. i'm sure all three are good choices for my case.

i decided to proceed and order the Elysium and Tara 30A. delivery should be late March into April. Gary is loaning me a set of Westminster's until they arrive. my dart 468's are sold. i still need to sell my two phono stage dart NHB-18NS preamp, and my 7.5 meter set of Evolution Acoustics 'zeel' BNC's. i did add a grounding post to each Elysium back panel for my Tripoint grounding boxes since the chassis are tankwood (panzerholtz). the Elysium dimensions fit exactly on my TS-140 Tana/Herzan active devices. the main chassis of the Tara 30A will go on my top rack shelf on my smaller Tana/Herzan platform next to my Esoteric T1.

the provisional colors for placing the order are 'Royal Blue' for the Elysium's and 'Gloss White" for the Tara 30A. i have a few weeks to reconsider those color choices. part of me likes the conservative soft black matt color choice for both. need time to figure it out.

with these new amps, how long will i have my Evolution Acoustics MM7 speakers? horns? if so which one? how about Zellaton?



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Mike, you got to listen to Aries Cerat Horns, they are really special. Stavros is a superb designer and does custom work as well.
 
It's not nearly as dramatically a different direction as if I posted suddenly, for example, that I went 100% CH Precision.
Are you getting the CH? Have you finally decided you need SS?
 

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