Industrial Power Filters Beat Audiophile Power Conditioners (in Measurements)

[Ron Resnick]

This objectivist article is slightly interesting not so much for its conclusion, which is not unexpected, but for its neutral reporting style, as opposed to typical objectivist articles which simply ridicule subjectivist audiophiles.

Industrial Power Filters Beat Audiophile Power Conditioners 30x the Price, According to Engineers

Engineers have the graphs audiophile brands don’t want you to ask for.

www.headphonesty.com

 

[PeterA]

Nice post and rather refreshing. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I’m not surprised at all, as I am a user of industrial wires, cords, and outlets. I have not measured them, but I prefer them on a subjective basis because they do not seem to enhance the presentation.

This should be welcome news for us who always seem to complain about the high cost of everything in the hobby. I prefer high-quality industrial power infrastructure, and it happens to cost less. It is not a blanket recommendation because I do think one needs to listen and choose carefully to best meet his personal target and to achieve his goals in the hobby.

 

[microstrip]

This objectivist article is slightly interesting not so much for its conclusion, which is not unexpected, but for its neutral reporting style, as opposed to typical objectivist articles which simply ridicule subjectivist audiophiles.

Industrial Power Filters Beat Audiophile Power Conditioners 30x the Price, According to Engineers

Engineers have the graphs audiophile brands don’t want you to ask for.

www.headphonesty.com

Well, the report is as neutral as any typical objectivist report on ASR. And sorry, its aim is mostly ridiculing audiophiles, focusing on manufacturers of power conditioners.

Unfortunately Mike Lavigne is abusively misquoted in this article. As an holder of the WBF copyright I think you should be more worried about it than in finding nice things to say about a basic and essentially anti audiophile article.

 

[wil]

It's overall a very shallow dive into complex subject, but I didn't take it as necessarily "anti audiophile."

I do think it's relevant to question and challenge the fall-back stance so many audiophile products take of "we just use our ears." This strikes me as convenient way to sell us on the idea of "magic boxes."

One of the products cited in the article, the OnFilter emi filter, does show meaningful (as far as I can tell) measurements to back up the purpose of their product. I'm using one presently in my system to help address the emi my battery inverter produces. And my ears tell me it produces a more transparent sound in series after my battery/inverter/Torus.

Contrast OnFilter's no-nonsense presentation to the typical audiophile product marketing which is often evasive, ludicrous and insulting to our collective intelligence in my opinion.

 

[LeBlanc]

The outcome of a subjective review of the OnFilter was less favorable than the measurements suggest: https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/onfilter/. All in the context of the reviewers system of course.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Well, the report is as neutral as any typical objectivist report on ASR. And sorry, its aim is mostly ridiculing audiophiles, focusing on manufacturers of power conditioners.

Unfortunately Mike Lavigne is abusively misquoted in this article. As an holder of the WBF copyright I think you should be more worried about it than in finding nice things to say about a basic and essentially anti audiophile article.

thank you.

yes; he took my performance comments about my dirty in room outlets, and then tied it to my comments about the plug in box size not related to performance.

complete miss quote and made up.

i did post a request for a deletion of my comments.

all about click bait....all the time.

 

[microstrip]

It's overall a very shallow dive into complex subject, but I didn't take it as necessarily "anti audiophile."

Well, nice to know that an article misrepresenting companies such as Shunyata and their research, for example is not anti audiophile.

The whole article reduces all the mains supply affair to EMI supression up to a few MHz rejection in studio conditions. Any audiophile with decent ears knows it is a childish oversimplification.

I do think it's relevant to question and challenge the fall-back stance so many audiophile products take of "we just use our ears." This strikes me as convenient way to sell us on the idea of "magic boxes."

The fact is that they are "magic boxes" like it or not. The EMC experts failed to explain us the existent differences in sound quality due to power conditioners - to avoid it they say they are non existent.

One of the products cited in the article, the OnFilter emi filter, does show meaningful (as far as I can tell) measurements to back up the purpose of their product. I'm using one presently in my system to help address the emi my battery inverter produces. And my ears tell me it produces a more transparent sound in series after my battery/inverter/Torus.

The data is surely relevant to their typical applications. As well as the data of thousands of similar filters. But it does not correlate with sound quality in typical audiophile conditions.

Anyway nice to know you rely on your ears, not to some very limited instruments.

Contrast OnFilter's no-nonsense presentation to the typical audiophile product marketing which is often evasive, ludicrous and insulting to our collective intelligence in my opinion.

It is easy to attack the hobby criticizing the marketing literature - sorry to say IMO a sign the criticizer can't go beyond it . IMO the marketing literature only insults us if we do not understand the essence of the hobby.

 

[microstrip]

Nice post and rather refreshing. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I’m not surprised at all, as I am a user of industrial wires, cords, and outlets. I have measured them, but I prefer them on a subjective basis because they do not seem to enhance the presentation.

This should be welcome news for us who always seem to complain about the high cost of everything in the hobby. I prefer high-quality industrial power infrastructure, and it happens to cost less. It is not a blanket recommendation because I do think one needs to listen and choose carefully to best meet his personal target achieve his goals in the hobby.

Do you realize that when you say that you prefer the sound of your Ching Cheng cables you are accepting that all these refreshing news you praise are saying your ears are wrong and you are victim of bias? According to this article, the excellent EMC filters included in your Lamm's - I studied them - should make your electronics insensitive to power cables!

Sometimes it is not possible to be in good relation with God and the Devil ...

 

[Mike Lavigne]

that website now deleted my comments requesting the correction. maybe they will delete the reference to me, and maybe they will not. we will see.

 

[wil]

It is easy to attack the hobby criticizing the marketing literature - sorry to say IMO a sign the criticizer can't go beyond it . IMO the marketing literature only insults us if we do not understand the essence of the hobby.

Oh, I go beyond it to be sure — straight to having no respect for that company or interest in what they’re trying to sell.

 

[PeterA]

Do you realize that when you say that you prefer the sound of your Ching Cheng cables you are accepting that all these refreshing news you praise are saying your ears are wrong and you are victim of bias? According to this article, the excellent EMC filters included in your Lamm's - I studied them - should make your electronics insensitive to power cables!

Sometimes it is not possible to be in good relation with God and the Devil ...

I preferred my Ching Cheng cords to the stock CC cords supplied with my Pass Labs electronics. I preferred those stock CC cords with my Pass to the fancy power cords I tried on them. I have only heard the Lamm with the Ching Cheng that DDK supplied with them and have not compared them to other cables. Yes, I like saving money where I can, especially on things like fancy wires and cords. No one wanted to buy my Transparent Audio power box and power cords. I regret that purchase, as some others I have made over the years. I suspect most of us have made a mistake or two in this hobby.

 

[microstrip]

I preferred my Ching Cheng cords to the stock CC cords supplied with my Pass Labs electronics. I preferred those stock CC cords with my Pass to the fancy power cords I tried on them. I have only heard the Lamm with the Ching Cheng that DDK supplied with them and have not compared them to other cables. Yes, I like saving money where I can, especially on things like fancy wires and cords. On one wanted to buy my Transparent Audio power box and power cords. I regret that purchase, as some others I have made over the years.

Well, your answer has nothing to do with what I wrote and you answered. You are just repeating your preferences and sorrows.

 

[flowcharts]

Given the fact that 60% of the article looks like a copy-paste of posts from that one guy who went around to every forum trying to shill onfilter products, you have to wonder whether this is sponsored content. The site says they clearly disclose sponsored content, but there's nothing denoting sponsorship on this article. If it's not sponsored, then what's the writer's excuse for such a lazy, sloppy article?

 

[Maryland]

Every time I see this site posted it's generally just clickbait designed to stir debate on social media. It has been banned in my local audiophile discussion group as it provides no actual original content and serves mostly just to stir up animosity. The moderators here might do well to consider similar measures.

 

[Joe Whip]

Looks like AI to me.

 

[treitz3]

Here we are, so many years later...

Quantity posts over quality. This thread is quantity. Click bait. Everything that destroys a forum like this. We went through this with Amir. We will NOT be going through this again. Been there, done that.

Tom

 

[treitz3]

that website now deleted my comments requesting the correction. maybe they will delete the reference to me, and maybe they will not. we will see.

Typical and par for the course. Dissension is never allowed. Pay them no mind, Mike.

Tom

 

[PeterA]

Every time I see this site posted it's generally just clickbait designed to stir debate on social media. It has been banned in my local audiophile discussion group as it provides no actual original content and serves mostly just to stir up animosity. The moderators here might do well to consider similar measures.

Well, it is one of the sites co-owners who posted a link to the article and started the thread. Are you suggesting the moderators should prevent the owner from starting a thread on his own audio forum? People can read the article or ignore it and decide for themselves whether or not it has value. Why advocate for censorship?

 

[Holmz]

thank you.

yes; he took my performance comments about my dirty in room outlets, and then tied it to my comments about the plug in box size not related to performance.

complete miss quote and made up.

i did post a request for a deletion of my comments.

all about click bait....all the time.

Sort of like a BBC job mashing together two things?

 

[treitz3]

Well, it is one of the sites co-owners who posted a link to the article and started the thread. Are you suggesting the moderators should prevent the owner from starting a thread on his own audio forum? People can read the article or ignore it and decide for themselves whether or not it has value. Why advocate for censorship?

If you would like? Please follow it. The WBF will not. We prefer quality posts.

No censorship on our part qualifies. The fact that one part of an owner does this is......

Well, it is on his own accord. To the detriment of his own forum. Ask yourself why?

Tom