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The Grid Protector, the EMI Protector and The Allocator By Schnerzinger-In My System and I’m Blown Away
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Yes, you had the correct findings! As I mentioned for the Piccolos, with those units you can design the soundstage. Reason seems to be, where (and which direction) you place them, sound waves can move more freely, resulting in more transparent, airy and 3D sound there, influencing the sound wave distribution within the room. Usually an evenly distributed arrangement as recommended in the manuals gives a balanced effect.
If images are too big in certain settings, the reason can be that you have parts of equipment or cabling in your chain, which purposefully cared for bigger than neutral images before, without cleaned RFI. I think you’re on a very enlightening journey with many more surprisingly great experiences.
Thanks for your insights, they are very much welcomed and valuable.
I am curious as to what you think about the Multi Satellites and if it makes a difference whether they are plugged into the wall socket directly, in which case they Satellite is at 90-degrees to the wall, or via a socket that has an outlet at 90 degrees, in which case the body of the Satellite is parallel to the wall.
If the antenna radiates more from the hinge, then perhaps you want the hinge facing the Multi Master?
I am curious as to what you think about the Multi Satellites and if it makes a difference whether they are plugged into the wall socket directly, in which case they Satellite is at 90-degrees to the wall, or via a socket that has an outlet at 90 degrees, in which case the body of the Satellite is parallel to the wall.
If the antenna radiates more from the hinge, then perhaps you want the hinge facing the Multi Master?
My impression is, that directionality is mainly or only relevant for devices (with LED), which treat larger parts of the room, not for devices which mainly protect themselves within a limited area with the antennas. I suspect those with LED have a more “active” (and powerful in terms of antenna function) mechanism than those without.
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Please consider, that this is an AI generated graphical explanation of the effect of an antenna with an angular joint, so take it with the (for AI) necessary skepticism regarding the details, it’s just meant to understand the principle.
I agree as to the packaging.I bet that box in which the Reflectors arrived cost $$$
Personally I have followed their advice and have 2 in the front behind my amps and inside of the Grid and EMI protector and 2 in the rear corners.
My setting after hours of experiment landed me at 1,1 on all .Initially I kept going back. and forth between 0,1 and 1,1
2. destroyed the sound completely. It sounded slow, and bloated and lost everything
My multi guard antennas are all pointing into the room as is the antenna on my Allocator
Personally I have followed their advice and have 2 in the front behind my amps and inside of the Grid and EMI protector and 2 in the rear corners.
My setting after hours of experiment landed me at 1,1 on all .Initially I kept going back. and forth between 0,1 and 1,1
2. destroyed the sound completely. It sounded slow, and bloated and lost everything
My multi guard antennas are all pointing into the room as is the antenna on my Allocator
Steve, did you start with just 2 Reflectors, located as suggested in the instructions? I did that, then added 2 at the rear, which was the best balance in my setup between realism of soundstage and clarity, bass, noise, etc. Moving the Reflectors around really messed with the size of the instruments and vocals - most of the time they were too large.
You may want to try with just 2 first: one front and center and one rear and center.
After listening to a few tracks, add 2 more at the front (left / center / right), with one at the rear. Listen.
Then move the 2 at the front left and right to the rear left and right. Listen.
Then put all 4 in the suggested location, at each corner.
I just ordered 6! I am not sure if 6 will be of benefit but there's a good chance. If not, I will probably sell 2 of them to someone here.
After listening to a few tracks, add 2 more at the front (left / center / right), with one at the rear. Listen.
Then move the 2 at the front left and right to the rear left and right. Listen.
Then put all 4 in the suggested location, at each corner.
I just ordered 6! I am not sure if 6 will be of benefit but there's a good chance. If not, I will probably sell 2 of them to someone here.
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Just returned the Reflectors on loan. The difference without them is almost unlistenable. It’s going to be a long 2-3 month wait until my set of 6 arrive.
If Schnerzinger lent them out for trials, they would sell 10X more, no question. I would have never spent this kind of money without a demo in my room first. (Note: they were on loan from a friend, my dealer does not loan them out…)
If Schnerzinger lent them out for trials, they would sell 10X more, no question. I would have never spent this kind of money without a demo in my room first. (Note: they were on loan from a friend, my dealer does not loan them out…)
Out of curiosity why do you feel you need 6. What are the dimensions of your room.
I found that not only was there a big difference when they were removed but I also found that if you have the wrong settings vs the correct ones the differences were also quite noticeable
What were your final settings. I went back back and forth between 0,1 and 1,1 I settled on the latter
2 in either the first or second setting literally slowed everything down and the sound was thick and bloated
I found that not only was there a big difference when they were removed but I also found that if you have the wrong settings vs the correct ones the differences were also quite noticeable
What were your final settings. I went back back and forth between 0,1 and 1,1 I settled on the latter
2 in either the first or second setting literally slowed everything down and the sound was thick and bloated
I don't know if 6 will be better than 4 - I am taking a bit of leap here because 4 was better than 2. The dealer said he would buy back 2 units if I feel that 4 is sufficient.
My room is small (~200 sq.ft.) but it's open in one corner (stairwell that is open to the floor(s) above).
I tried 6 different positions with 4 units. The best performance was with one front and center in the room and one rear center (matching Schnerzinger's 2 unit suggestion), and the other 2 at the rear of the room, on the left and right sides at the back. I am curious to hear it with 2 more, at the front of the room.
The switch settings I settled on were 0,1 (2nd switch in position 1). The other switch positions changed the soundstage, making for example a female voice solo sound too large, and seemed to roll-off and smooth the highs too much.
My room is small (~200 sq.ft.) but it's open in one corner (stairwell that is open to the floor(s) above).
I tried 6 different positions with 4 units. The best performance was with one front and center in the room and one rear center (matching Schnerzinger's 2 unit suggestion), and the other 2 at the rear of the room, on the left and right sides at the back. I am curious to hear it with 2 more, at the front of the room.
The switch settings I settled on were 0,1 (2nd switch in position 1). The other switch positions changed the soundstage, making for example a female voice solo sound too large, and seemed to roll-off and smooth the highs too much.
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To listen (or for manufacturers...to develop!) without this stuff is unbelievable for those in the know. With it (in a decent room and placement), one can be sure to have a more realistic sound than even any kind of reviewer with multi 100k setups without it.
There are certainly too many crazy offers on the market for the really good ones to stand out right away, but I am surprised that so many renowned experts are still unaware of them.
I agree. I have heard that Schnerzinger is a small company and not every company aspires to grow by 10X. If dealers are enjoying the margins and are busy, they may not want to put in the effort (time and money) to grow either. And reviewers don’t do anything without getting paid.
I remember suggesting that Fremer review a record flattener (AFI) as it is much more advanced than what he was using (DFI). AFI was willing to send him one at no cost. Fremer didn’t want it! He said without a US distributor (and a fee) he can’t review anything. Remember that when you read a review - it’s all been paid for.
I remember suggesting that Fremer review a record flattener (AFI) as it is much more advanced than what he was using (DFI). AFI was willing to send him one at no cost. Fremer didn’t want it! He said without a US distributor (and a fee) he can’t review anything. Remember that when you read a review - it’s all been paid for.
It’s interesting that you and I found the same best positions. I kept going back and forth between 0,1 and 1,1 2 in either switch destroyed the sound stage and the sound.
Here’s another thing that I discovered but I have to do an A/B test to prove ….. I might be a victim of bias and drinking the kool aid but yesterday I used a laser pointer on all 4 reflectors to aim best at my ears and I really felt that the small changes in direction I made did in fact improve what I was hearing. When I get more time I’m going to refusal 4 and listen and then refusing the laser light and compare
Here’s another thing that I discovered but I have to do an A/B test to prove ….. I might be a victim of bias and drinking the kool aid but yesterday I used a laser pointer on all 4 reflectors to aim best at my ears and I really felt that the small changes in direction I made did in fact improve what I was hearing. When I get more time I’m going to refusal 4 and listen and then refusing the laser light and compare
Yes I think they are no „industry“ but more dedicated in continuous and uncompromising development than a bigger, more profit orientated company would be. I think if they would produce and sell more, progress would be slower and product cycles longer.
And consider the percentage of consumers (even among those with big money and setups) who really have ears and interest in more than shiny equipment.
I personally think the AFI is way too expensive compared to the competition, has the clearly more problematic concept (contact surface directly on the whole groove area instead of the lip) and to my knowledge it took a revised run (from what already was on the market) to improve from serious record damaging heat treatment. I know they say their optional heat cycle makes the records sound better than the optional ones of the competition - well, everyone can form their own opinion on that. But even if correct, I’d prefer others for the other reasons mentioned.
I must say, for me it makes sense, that he just reviews products, which are safely available in the US and to my knowledge at least meanwhile, the product seems to have a US distribution with Musical Surroundings.
Regarding taking a fee: I know manufacturers, who had reviews there, and who would be so honest with me, that they would tell such things, but they didn’t. What I could imagine is, that he does ask for buying ads around the review time, as this is an inexpressible practice of nearly all hifi magazines unfortunately.
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Interesting! Mine are pointed straight at me for the center ones, and the rear sides are pointed straight ahead. Try the layout I am using, starting with only 2, front and rear and centered.
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