(...) If sound quality had been the only factor, digital never would have taken over in the ’80s — it (digital) sounded poorer back then, incomparable to todays digital.
In fact, sound quality was the main factor - in the late 70's and 80's the quality of average pressings was miserable. IMO clicks, pops and distortion are sound quality. For the average music lover the sound quality of CDs was better than what he was getting from LP's. IMO by 1985 we already had very good sounding CD players.
Even today, people seem to forget that when experts such as Jim Smith or Stirling Trayle address vinyl systems they clearly refer that about 95% of their client vinyl systems were poorly set up when they arrived. And they are addressing audiophiles, not general users.
Is there any possible way we can stop talking about digital vs vinyl on a thread entitled “ how do you know when you’re done?”. The entire discussion is intellectually bankrupt and offers no learning or growth whatsoever from participation in it.
Is there any possible way we can stop talking about digital vs vinyl on a thread entitled “ how do you know when you’re done?”. The entire discussion is intellectually bankrupt and offers no learning or growth whatsoever from participation in it.
The thread was dying and in post #274 entered the subject of streaming, that is effectively part of the way of being done to many people. Hard to debate cars without addressing wheels , motors and brakes ... But we can try.
This is not about old versus new. Bait and switch. This is about the here and now and preference. We choose freely what to buy and what to pursue.
I was discussing this with a couple friends who are into music and are into vinyl. One asked me with prices for good vinyl and even tape increasing and some even skyrocketing, why would people continue to seek this out if digital had kept its promise of perfect sound? Apparently not perfect for everybody.
In fact, the opposite has happened. People continue to discover vinyl and others design and sell new vinyl gear. Perhaps it’s not really a resurgence or explosion, but it certainly has not faded away. Before there were no alternatives, but now there are, and some people still chose to listen to vinyl. It has nothing to do with the good old days. It is simply a choice based on preference driven by the quality of the experience and values.
The thread was dying and in post #274 entered the subject of streaming, that is effectively part of the way of being done to many people. Hard to debate cars without addressing wheels , motors and brakes ... But we can try.
Micro, you know that a car depends upon wheels, motors and brakes while audio in no way depends upon this choice. Objectively people listing to digital are happy and people listening to vinyl are happy because they are both listening to MUSIC in ways that pleases them. I know you know this.
This is not about old versus new. Bait and switch. This is about the here and now and preference. We choose freely what to buy and what to pursue.
I was discussing this with a couple friends who are into music and are into vinyl. One asked me with prices for good vinyl and even tape increasing and some even skyrocketing, why would people continue to seek this out if digital had kept its promise of perfect sound? Apparently not perfect for everybody.
In fact, the opposite has happened. People continue to discover vinyl and others design and sell new vinyl gear. Perhaps it’s not really a resurgence or explosion, but it certainly has not faded away. Before there were no alternatives, but now there are, and some people still chose to listen to vinyl. It has nothing to do with the good old days. It is simply a choice based on preference driven by the quality of the experience and values.
You claimed that vinyl is elite and claimed that vinyl lovers MUST buy the best. I disagree with both claims.
Exactly. Among those the corncob in whose head David lives rent free. Unlike Peter's thread on his Natural Sound system where the self-righteous were offended by the very thread title and let you know. The contrast is obvious
Is there any possible way we can stop talking about digital vs vinyl on a thread entitled “ how do you know when you’re done?”. The entire discussion is intellectually bankrupt and offers no learning or growth whatsoever from participation in it.
This thread reminds me of the play Waiting for Godot. Especially the version I experienced far off-Broadway in Manhattan's East Village. The stage was separated from the audience with chicken wire for a reason that I never fully understood until reading this thread.
Is there any possible way we can stop talking about digital vs vinyl on a thread entitled “ how do you know when you’re done?”. The entire discussion is intellectually bankrupt and offers no learning or growth whatsoever from participation in it.
It does. I thought I was done with my source front when I was only digital, then discovered the joys of analog, then discovered recording differences. It puts forward a whole new hobby and can change system strategy, previous auditions done may or may not hold true, so you come undone
Micro, you know that a car depends upon wheels, motors and brakes while audio in no way depends upon this choice. Objectively people listing to digital are happy and people listening to vinyl are happy because they are both listening to MUSIC in ways that pleases them. I know you know this.
In fact I disagree many times with Peter - we have different views on the hobby. He focus on just his holistic views, I am an analytical and factual person. And I think he does not need your condescending personnel posts to support him, he is a senior audiophile.
The gap in auditioning is good music and recordings. That’s the primary source of realism, and so you end up selecting gear that lets the realism (recording) come through. If you do not have experience with that, you could end up selecting gear that adds something to one recording but not another, and since there is no benchmark in three months you will get bored and change gear to add something else, and so on.
That’s how Ron’s list of 4 is actually linked. With the right gear, if you reproduce the recording as much as possible, it will create realistic sound that is pleasing to the audiophile. With poor recordings and music they become 4 separate, independent points.
