What are the Top Horn Speakers in the World Today? Vox Olympian vs Avantgarde Trio vs ???

[Ron Resnick]

I heard Jacob's new AG Trio G3 system. (I think I'm the only person in North America other than Angie Lisi who has heard Jacob's system and Todd's Trio G3 system and Ali's Trio G3 system.)

 

[treitz3]

I heard Jacob's new AG Trio G3 system. (I think I'm the only person in North America other than Angie Lisi who has heard Jacob's system and Todd's Trio G3 system and Ali's Trio G3 system.)

And....

 

[Ron Resnick]

And....

They all sound great! Three different flavors -- each represents clearly the sonic preferences of their owners.

 

[tima]

I recommend checking out Sengpiel Audio’s resources. They offer a wealth of knowledge from experts who have likely forgotten more in their lifetimes than most of us will ever learn. It’s a great place to deepen your understanding.


Best regards,
S

Always worthwhile to provide a link or reference ... looks like a bit of organization might help it.

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sengpielaudio.com

 

[Kozak170]

I heard Jacob's new AG Trio G3 system. (I think I'm the only person in North America other than Angie Lisi who has heard Jacob's system and Todd's Trio G3 system and Ali's Trio G3 system.)

And wait… three Trios in three different colors? That’s not luck, Ron, that’s just cruel flexing!

 

[PeterA]

They all sound great! Three different flavors -- each represents clearly the sonic preferences of their owners.

Ron, could you describe what the sonic preferences of each owner are and then how each system meets those preferences?

 

[bonzo75]

I agree, the WAMM Master Chronosonic is in a league of its own when it comes to layering, imaging, delineation and overall refinement, especially when properly set up by the Wilson team. Still, to my ears the Trio has the edge in micro-dynamics and conveys a more ‘live’ feel in that respect. With the Trio you get a greater sense of immersion, as if the energy of the instruments is floating in the air, while the Wilson presents them more locked in space. The WAMM focuses more on absolute precision and spatial definition, while the Trio is about conveying energy and the feel of a live performance. Both have their value, and it ultimately comes down to the listener’s preference.

Did you hear the WAMM?

 

[andromedaaudio]

I did hear the Wamm and also the XVX .( many times
The Wamm is all about looks.
The bigger/ higher the Wilson the worst the integration

The new big YG is very coherent , good example of a large speaker that can sound as a whole

 

[Hornsolutions Swen]

Always worthwhile to provide a link or reference ... looks like a bit of organization might help it.

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sengpielaudio.com

To be honest, I had included the link, but I still had to make the text a bit friendlier, and then in the second attempt I simply forgot it.

https://sengpielaudio.com/Acoustics_Today-audibility.pdf

Best regards,
S

 

[Amir]

In keeping with the topic, I’ve only heard the new Trio G3 in show conditions; I haven’t had the chance to hear the new AG G3 in a private setup the way I did the previous generation at Mike’s place. But I did hear the Trio G3 a few years ago at a show in Gothenburg, Sweden, and I was absolutely blown away. The dynamics and energy it delivered were way beyond speakers like Magico, Göbel, TAD... and even my own Wilsons. That setup was running with iTron amps, and the LP source had this incredibly organic and lifelike sound, full of texture and presence that really pulled you into the music.

Of course, I’d still like to hear the new generation of AG paired with SET amps, especially in simple "girl with guitar" stuff. I think that kind of combination could highlight their tonal richness and the intimacy in the midrange that SET amps are famous for, offering a different perspective compared to the sheer dynamic punch I heard with the iTron setup.

Fortunately I have photos of this one, otherwise some insulting hype marketing dealers would quickly label as fake those whose experiences don’t suit them, using the excuse of not having photos.
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These are not your photos, if you were honest you shared your playback photos. You live in Tehran and never visited munich show or USA AG dealer.

The funny thing is you even do not read Romy posts, read the link.

Romy believes Wilson Alexandria is as dynamic as 106db horns and wilson alexandria crossover is not first order so those non-sense theories like high order crossover kills dynamics are not Romy’s ideas.

I am sorry experts like David @ddk are not here and you and kedar spread wrong information.

 

[bonzo75]

Romy believes Wilson Alexandria is as dynamic as 106db horns and wilson alexandria crossover is not first order so those non-sense theories like high order crossover kills dynamics are not Romy’s ideas.

I am sorry experts like David @ddk are not here and you and kedar spread wrong information.

David doesn’t like the Alexandria he thinks Sasha 2, for a Wilson is good. You can PM him and check

 

[microstrip]

And wait… three Trios in three different colors? That’s not luck, Ron, that’s just cruel flexing!
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Even so, he missed the more beautiful color ...

 

[Amir]

David doesn’t like the Alexandria he thinks Sasha 2, for a Wilson is good. You can PM him and check

Jokes are in another thread, post there

 

[microstrip]

Considering that, as also pointed by Lloyd, the real issue with the Trios for many people is the size of the basshorns -

Width1,018 mm
Depth1,165 mm
Height (including feet) Single-Drive492 mm
Height (including feet) Twin Drive748 mm

did any one listen to the Trio G3 with the more compact Twin Sub?

https://avantgarde-acoustic.de/en/products/twin-sub/

 

[bonzo75]

Jokes are in another thread, post there

Please PM him and ask

 

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, could you describe what the sonic preferences of each owner are and then how each system meets those preferences?

What we can learn from each owner's posting of his own comments (Jacob and Todd) or from professional reviews of his system (Ali) is more probative than would be my interpretation of and characterization of other peoples' sonic preferences.

Misleadingly succinctly:

Todd prioritizes resolution and detail --> iTron, CH, digital

Ali priorities resolution and organic-ness --> all-tube, OTL, vinyl

Jacob continues to enjoy experimenting with different tube amplifiers with both digital and vinyl

 

[Kozak170]

Did you hear the WAMM?

Yes, I’ve heard it, but I haven’t listened to the WAMM in a private setup like the XVX.

 

[Kozak170]

These are not your photos, if you were honest you shared your playback photos. You live in Tehran and never visited munich show or USA AG dealer.

The funny thing is you even do not read Romy posts, read the link.

Romy believes Wilson Alexandria is as dynamic as 106db horns and wilson alexandria crossover is not first order so those non-sense theories like high order crossover kills dynamics are not Romy’s ideas.

I am sorry experts like David @ddk are not here and you and kedar spread wrong information.

Well, lucky you. You’re the only one who went to Munich and to the US AG dealer, and also the only one who has the experience of hearing Wilson’s flagships and AG and LV at private setups — yet you still don’t understand what dynamics really means or how it relates to efficiency. LOL.
Anyone who posts a picture here and shares an opinion that goes against your marketing interests immediately gets labeled as “fake” by you. Perhaps you should focus on selling the very brands you once harshly criticized.

Honestly, your statements are ridiculous. In your previous post, you said, “Romy and I never claimed the XVX and the new Wilsons are dynamic; I wrote that the new Wilsons are 7 dB less efficient.” So, contrary to what you said before, you’re admitting that sensitivity is indeed related to dynamics. Then how can you keep loudly proclaiming that TAD R1, with only 87 dB sensitivity, delivers the dynamics of horns? LOL

 

[andromedaaudio]

Why are Horn / Set threads always a battle field ?

 

[Hornsolutions Swen]

Why are Horn / Set threads always a battle field ?

I thought the same about cable discussions.