I found this to be the case with my Magico speakers, but it took a very long time to find the right position in the room. Toe in makes it easier and quicker, but it was a compromise. Aiming those speakers straight ahead, resulted in a more natural presentation.
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I found this to be the case with my Magico speakers, but it took a very long time to find the right position in the room. Toe in makes it easier and quicker, but it was a compromise. Aiming those speakers straight ahead, resulted in a more natural presentation.
I can imagine your position with the big multi-way system at a distance of 1 meter like this!
I would think my YG Sonja XVi would make that cut. They are eerily coherent, seating position about 3m.And i am talking about real four column speaker systems not puny little speakers !
Yes, it's really huge, I have to admit that I really envy you that with a distance of only one meter, you can sometimes use the midbass unit as a coffee table!Literally a wall of sound, pentagon project? ....
That is too dogmatic. It will depend on room acoustics, distance from speakers, distance between speakers etc.
I have my speakers slightly toed in. In my room this also helps minimizing distortion from sidewall reflections.
Again, it's all dependent on the situation.
Of course, both are equally loud at 93db, but you need 2 watts for that with a 4 ohm speaker. If you use 1 watt, it is significantly quieter - that's physics, you can't cheat it, but you can cheat the customer. if it were to be put rudely.
P=(Ux2/R (2.83x2.83/ 8ohm=1.00 watt in 1meter
P=(Ux2/R (2.83×2.83/4 ohm= 2.00 watt in 1meter
correct is for 4Ohm
P=(U×2/R (2.0×2.0/4 Ohm=1.00 Watt
It all depends on the balance of a speaker / how its designed
None is exactly the same .
Not even different models of the same company.
If a speaker has a flat Fr measured on axxis you might wanna place the speaker Straight ahead without toe in .
High freq. output rolls off considerably when measured at an angle .
If speakers have high freq roll of already for example 3 - 4 db you might wanna toe them in
Other wise they can sound slightly dull.
There is no right or wrong just what pleases the listener
None is exactly the same .
Not even different models of the same company.
If a speaker has a flat Fr measured on axxis you might wanna place the speaker Straight ahead without toe in .
High freq. output rolls off considerably when measured at an angle .
If speakers have high freq roll of already for example 3 - 4 db you might wanna toe them in
Other wise they can sound slightly dull.
There is no right or wrong just what pleases the listener
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Wilson sashas have a resistor which controls tweeter out put ( mids and bass may be also , im not familiar )
If you have max toe in at the listener spot and it sounds to bright you can reduce tw output by changing resitors ( increased value )
Ps best this is done by a Wilson tech off course
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Try both and decide yourself. Speaker positioning is just a matter of effort and time. Your speakers are not too big for you to move nor is the space too large
The best thing you can do with Wilson Sashas is to let another owner do the positioning…
Peter learned this lesson with Magicos…
Peter learned this lesson with Magicos…
Have you also tried the midwoofer columns on the outside out of curiousity?
The new owner after you sold them to him?The best thing you can do with Wilson Sashas is to let another owner do the positioning…
Peter learned this lesson with Magicos…
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Not really, they just have certain beliefs. One of them is about toe in being an evil thing
. It’s like natural sound, professional cables, SME 3012R, Devore Orangutans etc.
I had Sashas set up by Wilson and tried various distancs and angles including straight ahead. Evemtually I returned to the Wilson set-up which gave the best coherency and imaging -- back when I was more into imaging as a priority. Today I have my JBLs pointed straight ahead.
Not really, they just have certain beliefs. One of them is about toe in being an evil thing
Hehe, understood.
So why is it now your belief that you should move away from traditional box speakers? Only because you've "read too many posts by Bonzo" as you say in your opening post?
Be wary of Martin Logan until you've heard them in your own listening room. I was considering a move from Uno horns to electrostatics and (after much reading and a convincing showroom demo), I bought a new pair of Expression 13As. Bad move ! They just didn't like my room and by everyone's account sounded for less good than the 17 year old horns. Sold after 6 months at a colossal loss!
The reason they didn't like my room? No wall behind them to harvest any of the 50% of their energy that is projected backwards. Other theories may also apply! The odd thing was that the big Quad 2905s I bought used to test the idea of els speakers sounded remarkably good, but were aesthetically unacceptable due to where they were placed.
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